To settle the H22 Vs B Series Weight Arguement I bring you this... (pics) - Honda-Tech

mister2racer · 11-21-2003, 12:42 AM

So I am sitting here tonight looking around HT and talking in PM to people about my built H22 I just posted into FI and Prelude... and I come across yet another B VS H arguement... and people start talking about all this weight BS again... the H series I hear rumours of anywhere from 85-125lb heavier then a B swap.

Here are some pics to let everyone with a B loose one of their points. (Not that I am against the B... the B is the shit... but I love the H as well and I have a H and I am tired of the weight argument)

I own a shop, and at the moment we are building several motors. So here I bring you some good shit.

All 3 Blocks are built with stock crank, forged rods, forged pistons, and iron sleeves done by benson (H22, D16) and darton (B16). I have a bensen'd B16 here as well but its already made the voyage to the engine stand so its not getting weighed. The only thing that is not fair in these pics is that the D has the oil pan on it... wasnt gonna take it off just for this BS.

H = 123lb short block
B = 104lb short block
D = 100lb short block + oil pan

So with totaly fair comparisons... the H is 19lb heavier in the short block.

NOW lets move on... the big word that I always hear is that its the H TRANS IS SOOOO HEAVY!!! Lets take a little peak here...

H trans = 96lb
B trans = 90lb

OK.. thats 6 lb... so we have a 25lb weight increase so far with the H22.

I will post here within a day or two as I weigh the assembled cylinder heads, as the H head is definatly heavier... but I would guess 10 lb heavier.

As for the rest of the crap... who cares. Intake manifolds are light for any motor and come in different flavors, same with headers and all that BS. Accessories are up to the owner of the car. Everything else hardly applies... flywheels are up to the user, axles, clutch, aluminum or steel oilpans, etc etc all this shit is up to the owner of the car so that crap doesnt need to be part of the comparison.

So what it comes down to is unless that H head is REALLY that much heavier... we are talking about

35 LB INCREASE!! Thats about how much weight off my ass I need to loose so I would be a hypocrite to be hard on the H.

OH YEA... you might want to see this yourself... here you go:

D16 Block:

B16 Block:

H22 Block:

B16 Trans:

H22 Trans:

-Charles

Modified by mister2racer at 3:48 AM 11/21/2003

Modified by mister2racer at 1:48 PM 5/2/2007

mister2racer · 11-21-2003, 12:46 AM

BTW just for good comparisons I will weigh both setups completely assembled with trans on and EVERYTHING except the wiring harness with the swaps ready to go into the car. This will be the total weight factor after all the shit.

ekx4 · 11-21-2003, 12:49 AM

good job.

JDMlyfestyle · 11-21-2003, 12:53 AM

GOOD INFO BRO. ya i guess u were bored tho. But im tired of seeing the arguments too.

H22ek4 · 11-21-2003, 12:57 AM

about time someone did this.

mister2racer · 11-21-2003, 12:58 AM

not bored, just motivated. only took a few min all the stuff is just sitting in the shop.

JDMs1eeper · 11-21-2003, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by H22ek4

about time someone did this.

hell yeah !

2.2L EH2 · 11-21-2003, 01:42 AM

good sh*t man.

MrMike · 11-21-2003, 02:07 AM

i just remember that it takes 2 strong people to lift a full bseries swap and 3 for a Hseries. Its true its just a couple of pounds here and there but all that stuff is gonna add up.

ace1875 · 11-21-2003, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by MrMike

i just remember that it takes 2 strong people to lift a full bseries swap and 3 for a Hseries. Its true its just a couple of pounds here and there but all that stuff is gonna add up.

yup and 2 "Naturally Aspirated" people to pickup D series

The only i sold my H series was cause i was getting an excellent deal on a B series GSR swap, and was short on money to buy the mounts, axels etc. I also was selling the H more then i paid for it.

mycivicstoo(s)low · 11-21-2003, 02:27 AM

Nice info.

I'm glad someone finally set the record straight.

Alstare · 11-21-2003, 02:46 AM

Good write up, I hear it 24/7 aout the weight difference this will shut a few up. Unfortunitly there will still be arguments about this anyway

Good job man..

SLR sWiFt · 11-21-2003, 05:02 AM

finally. good job. lets hope every1 will shut tha hell up about tha weight difference now.

Gravy · 11-21-2003, 05:42 AM

yeah i would like to know what the difference of all three assembled.

GsR HtCh · 11-21-2003, 05:53 AM

great info. i wish i had all those things just lying around to be weighed.

SOHC_MShue · 11-21-2003, 05:55 AM

good job man

Definantely less weight than everyone expected i'm sure. Its still 35lbs though. That kind of stuff can add up. Still not that bad though

mikefxu · 11-21-2003, 05:59 AM

charles you should throw a open deck h22a(97-up) that has been sleeved i bet it is lighter by a few more pounds than its closed deck h22a(92-96) brother

HATCHMO92 · 11-21-2003, 06:03 AM

wow you got clean motor's

c1civic · 11-21-2003, 06:57 AM

good info tired of people saying my h22 hatch isnt going to be that fast because its a "heavy engine"

Hatchy-Ownzjo0 · 11-21-2003, 07:03 AM

good info.. I'll sacrafice 35 lbs for 30+ extra ft/lbs of torque..

Navid OG · 11-21-2003, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Hatchy-Ownzjo0

good info.. I'll sacrafice 35 lbs for 30+ extra ft/lbs of torque..

dont forget with a CF hood, and light weight FlyWheel,,,,, the car will be equal if not less than the B series.

blackcruzan · 11-21-2003, 07:21 AM

you should try to get the weight of a b18 short block, since that's what a lot of people seem to be running.

length · 11-21-2003, 07:47 AM

sweet

Kalokohan · 11-21-2003, 07:53 AM

Good clarification. I've never doubted h22 civics in straight line racing. My doubts surface when the topic switches to autocrossing.

11-21-2003, 12:42 AM	#1
mister2racer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Batavia, IL, USA Posts: 921	To settle the H22 Vs B Series Weight Arguement I bring you this... (pics) So I am sitting here tonight looking around HT and talking in PM to people about my built H22 I just posted into FI and Prelude... and I come across yet another B VS H arguement... and people start talking about all this weight BS again... the H series I hear rumours of anywhere from 85-125lb heavier then a B swap. Here are some pics to let everyone with a B loose one of their points. (Not that I am against the B... the B is the shit... but I love the H as well and I have a H and I am tired of the weight argument) I own a shop, and at the moment we are building several motors. So here I bring you some good shit. All 3 Blocks are built with stock crank, forged rods, forged pistons, and iron sleeves done by benson (H22, D16) and darton (B16). I have a bensen'd B16 here as well but its already made the voyage to the engine stand so its not getting weighed. The only thing that is not fair in these pics is that the D has the oil pan on it... wasnt gonna take it off just for this BS. H = 123lb short block B = 104lb short block D = 100lb short block + oil pan So with totaly fair comparisons... the H is 19lb heavier in the short block. NOW lets move on... the big word that I always hear is that its the H TRANS IS SOOOO HEAVY!!! Lets take a little peak here... H trans = 96lb B trans = 90lb OK.. thats 6 lb... so we have a 25lb weight increase so far with the H22. I will post here within a day or two as I weigh the assembled cylinder heads, as the H head is definatly heavier... but I would guess 10 lb heavier. As for the rest of the crap... who cares. Intake manifolds are light for any motor and come in different flavors, same with headers and all that BS. Accessories are up to the owner of the car. Everything else hardly applies... flywheels are up to the user, axles, clutch, aluminum or steel oilpans, etc etc all this shit is up to the owner of the car so that crap doesnt need to be part of the comparison. So what it comes down to is unless that H head is REALLY that much heavier... we are talking about 35 LB INCREASE!! Thats about how much weight off my ass I need to loose so I would be a hypocrite to be hard on the H. OH YEA... you might want to see this yourself... here you go: D16 Block: B16 Block: H22 Block: B16 Trans: H22 Trans: -Charles Modified by mister2racer at 3:48 AM 11/21/2003 Modified by mister2racer at 1:48 PM 5/2/2007 __________________ '94 EG Hatch 416fwhp GONE '03 350z - 573rwhp @ 14 psi

11-21-2003, 12:46 AM	#2
mister2racer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Batavia, IL, USA Posts: 921	BTW just for good comparisons I will weigh both setups completely assembled with trans on and EVERYTHING except the wiring harness with the swaps ready to go into the car. This will be the total weight factor after all the shit. __________________ '94 EG Hatch 416fwhp GONE '03 350z - 573rwhp @ 14 psi

11-21-2003, 12:49 AM	#3
ekx4 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: f j d m . Posts: 3,804	good job. __________________ <FONT SIZE="4"><FONT COLOR="red"> !</FONT></FONT>

11-21-2003, 12:57 AM	#5
H22ek4 Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 615	Re: (JDMlifestyle) about time someone did this.

11-21-2003, 12:58 AM	#6
mister2racer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Batavia, IL, USA Posts: 921	not bored, just motivated. only took a few min all the stuff is just sitting in the shop. __________________ '94 EG Hatch 416fwhp GONE '03 350z - 573rwhp @ 14 psi

11-21-2003, 12:53 AM	#4
JDMlyfestyle Join Date: May 2003 Location: CORNFIELDS, OW3N ME Posts: 10,172	GOOD INFO BRO. ya i guess u were bored tho. But im tired of seeing the arguments too.

11-21-2003, 01:42 AM	#8
2.2L EH2 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: USA Posts: 4,029	Re: (Typesi2nv) good sh*t man. __________________ PSN: j-rock95

11-21-2003, 02:07 AM	#9
MrMike Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Bay Area, CA, USA Posts: 697	Re: (Natural Aspirated) i just remember that it takes 2 strong people to lift a full bseries swap and 3 for a Hseries. Its true its just a couple of pounds here and there but all that stuff is gonna add up. __________________ EH2 LsVtec CLICK

11-21-2003, 02:27 AM	#11
mycivicstoo(s)low Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St. Pete, FL, USA Posts: 2,249	Re: (ace1875) Nice info. I'm glad someone finally set the record straight.

11-21-2003, 02:46 AM	#12
Alstare Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Windsor, Ontario, Canada Posts: 665	Re: (mycivicstoo(s)low) Good write up, I hear it 24/7 aout the weight difference this will shut a few up. Unfortunitly there will still be arguments about this anyway Good job man.. __________________ -Brian 1996 Civic Si Built H22 Turbo 11.75@127.5mph on DR's

11-21-2003, 05:02 AM	#13
SLR sWiFt Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: sOuThSiDe mT. VeRnOn, NY, USA Posts: 27	finally. good job. lets hope every1 will shut tha hell up about tha weight difference now. __________________ http://slrskillz.proboards29.com/ Cars, Music, Entertainment Join The Movement U Name it We Got It Hip Hop & R&B Albums and Mixtapes Nextel i730 and i95 Ringtones, WallPapers & Games

11-21-2003, 05:42 AM	#14
Gravy Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: South, Florida, USA Posts: 2,444	Re: (SLR DJ sWiFt) yeah i would like to know what the difference of all three assembled.

11-21-2003, 05:53 AM	#15
GsR HtCh Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Muff Diver, No. 1 Posts: 1,983	Re: (Gravy) great info. i wish i had all those things just lying around to be weighed. __________________ "Be Safe, Sleep with a Marine" 2004 Nissan Titan

11-21-2003, 05:55 AM	#16
SOHC_MShue Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Richmond, Va, usa Posts: 11,209	Re: To settle the H22 Vs B Series Weight Arguement I bring you this... (mister2racer) good job man Definantely less weight than everyone expected i'm sure. Its still 35lbs though. That kind of stuff can add up. Still not that bad though __________________ Neptune Dealer Vitara Sohc 343whp pump gas setup

11-21-2003, 05:59 AM	#17
mikefxu Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: taco, fl, usa Posts: 35	charles you should throw a open deck h22a(97-up) that has been sleeved i bet it is lighter by a few more pounds than its closed deck h22a(92-96) brother

11-21-2003, 06:03 AM	#18
HATCHMO92 Join Date: May 2003 Location: hatchonia, eg, honda Posts: 170	wow you got clean motor's __________________ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!PARTS FOR SALE!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE EMAIL: HATCHMO92@HOTMAIL.COM

11-21-2003, 06:57 AM	#19
c1civic Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Morrow, Ohio Posts: 1,708	good info tired of people saying my h22 hatch isnt going to be that fast because its a "heavy engine" __________________ going fast is too exensive current cars 92 cx hatch h22 SOLD 97 vsm coupe gsr powered SOLD 98 4dr civic SOLD s13 w/ sr20det SOLD 92 civic 4dr gsr swap SOLD 1g awd dsm SOLD 95 del sol mini-me, jdm SOLD 97 B18b civic SOLD 98 white 4dr civic, dd

11-21-2003, 07:03 AM	#20
Hatchy-Ownzjo0 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Columbus Ohio Posts: 5,620	Re: (c1civic) good info.. I'll sacrafice 35 lbs for 30+ extra ft/lbs of torque.. __________________ The new HT sucks.

11-21-2003, 07:21 AM	#22
blackcruzan Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: christensted, st. croix, U.S.V.I. Posts: 102	Re: To settle the H22 Vs B Series Weight Arguement I bring you this... (mister2racer) you should try to get the weight of a b18 short block, since that's what a lot of people seem to be running. __________________ ecu codes http://www.londonautoclub.org/...s.htm

11-21-2003, 07:47 AM	#23
length Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: your town, USA Posts: 800	sweet

11-21-2003, 07:53 AM	#24
Kalokohan Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: 703 Posts: 4,848	Re: (Jdm Ek Hatch) Good clarification. I've never doubted h22 civics in straight line racing. My doubts surface when the topic switches to autocrossing. __________________ 87 Prelude Si under construction.

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