Ignition timing question. - Honda-Tech

John M · 09-27-2008, 10:20 AM

I have a b16b in my eg hatch and the idle stays around 1200
i got a chipped ecu in it and no vacuum leaks at all.
i need to set the ignition timing but where do i set it since it is not around 750?

John M · 10-04-2008, 01:51 PM

Anyone.
car feels like it is sluggish and heistant in lower rpm's

slomofo · 10-04-2008, 08:48 PM

Double check for leaks in the intake manifold gasket, check timing marks on the belt, and make sure you didn't accidentally mix up the TPS and MAP plugs.

John M · 10-04-2008, 08:55 PM

timing belt is great and tps and map are right
intake mani gasket seems fine.

slomofo · 10-04-2008, 08:58 PM

Does it bog while under load (in gear) for the first little bit, then pick up fine after about 3krpm or so? If it does that, try swapping out your MAP sensor.

John M · 10-04-2008, 09:03 PM

like ill be pulling out of somewhere and it will be in 1st going fine and i go to 2nd cruising and it feels like the car is slightly loosing and then gaining power
the motor is a stock b16b with b16 tranny with a chipped p06 with a jdm itr basemap.
my budy said it needs to be tuned and will run like crap on a basemap.
still it should be hesitating and idleing high.

John M · 10-04-2008, 09:57 PM

?

Launchpad · 10-05-2008, 12:05 AM

try to find a stock b16 ecu to borrow and swap it out I bet its the basemap.

John M · 10-05-2008, 12:49 AM

yeah im thinking it is the basemap also
should i get it tuned?
ill also look for a obd1 b16 ecu

Launchpad · 10-05-2008, 09:30 AM

Find out what the issue is before you even think about getting tuned. You need a stock ecu to help narrow that down though . I bought a h22 swapped accord like a month ago with a S100 on a P28 in it was running like shit till I put a stock P13

John M · 10-05-2008, 10:32 AM

a ctr is not going to run good on a b16 ecu and wont run to its full potential prolly.

Launchpad · 10-05-2008, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John M

a ctr is not going to run good on a b16 ecu and wont run to its full potential prolly.

So why are you looking for one then? Yes it will it'll run fine enough to help you resolve your issue. so what if it doesnt run to its full potential thats what a tune is for.

SoTexDC2 · 10-05-2008, 12:45 PM

As you adjust the ignition timing, your idle will change *slightly*. If you have a timing light, and your ignition timing is correct, I would try an OEM ECU. I wouldn't trust that basemap.

As others stated, get the idle correct before tunning.

mmuller · 10-05-2008, 12:47 PM

what happens when u unplug the iacv while car is running?

John M · 10-05-2008, 02:19 PM

alright when i unplug the iacvwhile running the idle dips to 1000 then slowly rises up a hair.
also i dont have a fitv i blocked those ports off.
the idle screw is all the way in.

idk what to do.
would someone be willing to let me try their p30?

Here is the car and the motor.

mmuller · 10-05-2008, 11:05 PM

it sounds you have a vac leak. car should shut off with idle screw all the way in and no iacv

mouab18c1 · 10-31-2008, 01:42 PM

nice car

09-27-2008, 10:20 AM	#1
John M Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Look hard, VA, United States Posts: 8,215	Ignition timing question. I have a b16b in my eg hatch and the idle stays around 1200 i got a chipped ecu in it and no vacuum leaks at all. i need to set the ignition timing but where do i set it since it is not around 750? __________________ 95 civic Ex (Traded) 00 EBP Civic Si (Traded) 98 Integra Type R #1031 (Traded) 95 Integra GSR (Sold) 92 Civic Si (Weekend car ) 00 FBP Si (DD)

10-04-2008, 01:51 PM	#2
John M Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Look hard, VA, United States Posts: 8,215	Re: Ignition timing question. (John M) Anyone. car feels like it is sluggish and heistant in lower rpm's __________________ 95 civic Ex (Traded) 00 EBP Civic Si (Traded) 98 Integra Type R #1031 (Traded) 95 Integra GSR (Sold) 92 Civic Si (Weekend car ) 00 FBP Si (DD)

10-04-2008, 08:48 PM	#3
slomofo Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Mormon Land Posts: 1,946	Double check for leaks in the intake manifold gasket, check timing marks on the belt, and make sure you didn't accidentally mix up the TPS and MAP plugs. __________________ Geo Metro Type-R JDM 3-1 Header JDM Integra Type-R EMBLEM conversion Bling Bling hubcaps kmodifiedracing.com scammed me out of $865.00 DB Squad member #63

10-04-2008, 08:55 PM	#4
John M Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Look hard, VA, United States Posts: 8,215	Re: (slomofo) timing belt is great and tps and map are right intake mani gasket seems fine. __________________ 95 civic Ex (Traded) 00 EBP Civic Si (Traded) 98 Integra Type R #1031 (Traded) 95 Integra GSR (Sold) 92 Civic Si (Weekend car ) 00 FBP Si (DD)

10-04-2008, 08:58 PM	#5
slomofo Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Mormon Land Posts: 1,946	Does it bog while under load (in gear) for the first little bit, then pick up fine after about 3krpm or so? If it does that, try swapping out your MAP sensor. __________________ Geo Metro Type-R JDM 3-1 Header JDM Integra Type-R EMBLEM conversion Bling Bling hubcaps kmodifiedracing.com scammed me out of $865.00 DB Squad member #63

10-04-2008, 09:03 PM	#6
John M Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Look hard, VA, United States Posts: 8,215	Re: (slomofo) like ill be pulling out of somewhere and it will be in 1st going fine and i go to 2nd cruising and it feels like the car is slightly loosing and then gaining power the motor is a stock b16b with b16 tranny with a chipped p06 with a jdm itr basemap. my budy said it needs to be tuned and will run like crap on a basemap. still it should be hesitating and idleing high. __________________ 95 civic Ex (Traded) 00 EBP Civic Si (Traded) 98 Integra Type R #1031 (Traded) 95 Integra GSR (Sold) 92 Civic Si (Weekend car ) 00 FBP Si (DD)

10-04-2008, 09:57 PM	#7
John M Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Look hard, VA, United States Posts: 8,215	Re: (John M) ? __________________ 95 civic Ex (Traded) 00 EBP Civic Si (Traded) 98 Integra Type R #1031 (Traded) 95 Integra GSR (Sold) 92 Civic Si (Weekend car ) 00 FBP Si (DD)

10-05-2008, 12:05 AM	#8
Launchpad Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: DIE THIEVES, TX, USA Posts: 572	Re: (John M) try to find a stock b16 ecu to borrow and swap it out I bet its the basemap. __________________ http://www.t1racedevelopment.com T1 Race Development 5121 Grisham Dr Ste A Rowlett, TX 75088 http://www.t1raceparts.com

10-05-2008, 12:49 AM	#9
John M Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Look hard, VA, United States Posts: 8,215	Re: (Launchpad) yeah im thinking it is the basemap also should i get it tuned? ill also look for a obd1 b16 ecu __________________ 95 civic Ex (Traded) 00 EBP Civic Si (Traded) 98 Integra Type R #1031 (Traded) 95 Integra GSR (Sold) 92 Civic Si (Weekend car ) 00 FBP Si (DD)

10-05-2008, 09:30 AM	#10
Launchpad Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: DIE THIEVES, TX, USA Posts: 572	Re: (John M) Find out what the issue is before you even think about getting tuned. You need a stock ecu to help narrow that down though . I bought a h22 swapped accord like a month ago with a S100 on a P28 in it was running like shit till I put a stock P13 __________________ http://www.t1racedevelopment.com T1 Race Development 5121 Grisham Dr Ste A Rowlett, TX 75088 http://www.t1raceparts.com

10-05-2008, 10:32 AM	#11
John M Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Look hard, VA, United States Posts: 8,215	Re: (Launchpad) a ctr is not going to run good on a b16 ecu and wont run to its full potential prolly. __________________ 95 civic Ex (Traded) 00 EBP Civic Si (Traded) 98 Integra Type R #1031 (Traded) 95 Integra GSR (Sold) 92 Civic Si (Weekend car ) 00 FBP Si (DD)

10-05-2008, 12:45 PM	#13
SoTexDC2 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Hill Country, Tejas Posts: 588	As you adjust the ignition timing, your idle will change slightly. If you have a timing light, and your ignition timing is correct, I would try an OEM ECU. I wouldn't trust that basemap. As others stated, get the idle correct before tunning. __________________ I like Turbo's.

10-05-2008, 12:47 PM	#14
mmuller Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: tallafizzy, FL state Posts: 5,758	Re: (SoTexDC2) what happens when u unplug the iacv while car is running? __________________ -2290 DC2= e85 powered -DB2 CROME user http://images.honda-tech.com/set1/smile/emthup.gif EFI 101 -- PGMFI.ORG have a question about ducati's? ducati factory trained Good sellers/buyers : look in profile. paypal verified

10-05-2008, 02:19 PM	#15
John M Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Look hard, VA, United States Posts: 8,215	Re: (mmuller) alright when i unplug the iacvwhile running the idle dips to 1000 then slowly rises up a hair. also i dont have a fitv i blocked those ports off. the idle screw is all the way in. idk what to do. would someone be willing to let me try their p30? Here is the car and the motor. __________________ 95 civic Ex (Traded) 00 EBP Civic Si (Traded) 98 Integra Type R #1031 (Traded) 95 Integra GSR (Sold) 92 Civic Si (Weekend car ) 00 FBP Si (DD)

10-05-2008, 11:05 PM	#16
mmuller Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: tallafizzy, FL state Posts: 5,758	Re: (John M) it sounds you have a vac leak. car should shut off with idle screw all the way in and no iacv __________________ -2290 DC2= e85 powered -DB2 CROME user http://images.honda-tech.com/set1/smile/emthup.gif EFI 101 -- PGMFI.ORG have a question about ducati's? ducati factory trained Good sellers/buyers : look in profile. paypal verified

10-31-2008, 01:42 PM	#17
mouab18c1 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 794	Re: (mmuller) nice car __________________ b18c1 N/A my vtec lasts longer then your girlfriend http://images.honda-tech.com/set1/smile/emsmile.gif http://www.zealautowerks.com/

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