Player_One

Subscribed. Although I don't understand much of this now (not fully awake), I can maybe eventually make sense of some stuff (Comp. Sci grad) later. I have an 08 S2000 cluster going into a K-swapped Del Sol and my K-Pro (modified RSX ECU) has K-LIN and also SEFMJ pins. Dunno if anything is compatible though. Would be nice to get certain indicator lights (and gauges) working.

Gernby

I know this thread is old, but I stumbled across it while researching CAN for my '08 Honda S2000. I built a piggy-back ECU for my '06 Lexus IS350 that used CAN for the inputs, so I know how difficult it can be to find the data within the stream. Before I repeat what I did with my Lexus, I'm hoping some of you might have made some progress that you would be willing to share.

Here's a thread about the project I did on my Lexus.
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/perf...mp-on-2is.html

Gernby

I was able to record the CAN data from my S2000 using a CANUSB dongle and a modified version of one of their sample applications (VB.NET). There isn't as much data as there was with my Lexus, but the data that is there is at a high frame rate. It took me a few hours studying the data from several driving cycles to identify the "easy" data streams. I haven't figured out what about half of the data is, since it is either bitwise or encrypted.

Brake pedal pressure (ID = 106 byte 3) streams at about 150 frames per second.
Throttle pedal position (ID=170 byte 1) streams at about 100 frames per second.
Steering Wheel Position (ID=198 bytes 1 & 2) and Lateral Accelleration (ID=198 byte 3) stream at about 100 frames per second.
Engine Coolant Temp (ID = 300 byte 1), Ambient Temp (ID = 300 byte 2), and Engine RPM (ID = 300 bytes 5 & 6) stream at about 100 frames per second.
Wheel Speed (ID = 448 bytes 5 & 6) stream at about 60 frames per second.

Eagle_Phoenix

That's very far from what it works, dude! this honda canbus works on iso9141-2 and J1850 VPW, it communicate through a bi-directional can transceiver, it is the Mc33290 can tranceiver, I am lucky japanese engineers did not sand it with sand papers.

Now ... think about it it quite difficult as can messages are sent on hexadecimal format , there is an structure, basically this one is the same of rs232, but ofcourse the order of data is sent .... completely different, the good step from some one that wants to understand this, is to find the datasheet of mc33290 can transceiver and study hard what kind of message flows and then go for it.

I did this conversor programming a motorola microchip with can pinout straight to mc33290 tranceiver and it works fine, keep in mind that the check engine warning light and alternator light works on canbus also the 19 segments works similar to a shift register, but I still could not find time to finish the pdf and include videos .... and install it on my car.


This country where I live always there is a surprise to crook me up.

Gernby

I can't figure out whether you just posted in the wrong thread, or if you've just been smoking some really epic ****! Your post makes no sense at all.

I am able to receive and decipher the CAN data just fine! In fact, I've already written a very nice street dyno application using the CAN interface. It produces an incredibly detailed torque curve!

BTW, there is nothing about CAN that is tied to hexadecimal. The data is transmitted in a binary (serial) pattern, and the evaluation of the binary data is entirely up to the user's preference. If you want to view the binary CAN data in Binary, Hexadecimal, Octal, or Decimal ... that's just a setting in the software ...

Eagle_Phoenix

Dear Trial User looser ...

This really show you don't know nothing about canbus, it is very easy to say you can do it, I will advise then why you don't do it then? why don't you shut up, do it!

GO AND ORDER A CLUSTER 2007+ FROM S2000, AND TEST YOUR METHOD IN IT AND SURE IT WILL NOT WORK.

It is not only the fact to use your cheap canbus scanner, it is also the ability to create a completely independent canbus module with the right tranceivers to work in the same voltage levels that was originally designed for.

We don't need your low level comments "S******T", you can keep it for yourself, you can make your own dinner using the bad words you just posted, you and your husband could use this as lubricant if don't want to dinner it up.

But if you day you can get out the trial evaluation and in the next eternity some weird scientist decide to create something using your incompetent idea, then definetely you will go to record guiness.

Eagle_Phoenix

Dear Trial User looser ...

This really show you don't know nothing about canbus, it is very easy to say you can do it, I will advise then why you don't do it then? why don't you shut up, do it!

GO AND ORDER A CLUSTER 2007+ FROM S2000, AND TEST YOUR METHOD IN IT AND SURE IT WILL NOT WORK.

It is not only the fact to use your cheap canbus scanner, it is also the ability to create a completely independent canbus module with the right tranceivers to work in the same voltage levels that was originally designed for.

We don't need your low level comments "S******T", or smoking drugs, we don't do drugs here and also we would advise you to search for a psychologist in order to teach you how to respect other people ...............

you can keep it for yourself, you can make your own dinner using the bad words you just posted, you and your husband could use this as lubricant if don't want to dinner it up, you can also cook it or spit in it before using it as lubricate gel.

But if you day you can get out the trial evaluation and in the next eternity some weird scientist decide to create something using your incompetent idea, then definetely you will go to record guiness.

Gernby

Damn... I've always heard that people on HT are jack-tards, but this just takes the cake. I joined HT only to post in this thread as a gift to you guys. It's been over a year since the OP asked for info about Honda's CAN bus, and you even asked for more info. You talked about "hacking" the bus to capture the data stream and try to decode it. Well, that's what I did! I even posted the ID's and byte locations for the data that you guys have been talking about! Now that I'm done doing what you were talking about, maybe YOU should go do it! I have no interest in rigging up an S2000 cluster in another vehicle, since I already have an S2000 cluster in my S2000 that works great!

I'm a telecom engineer, and a full-time software developer. I understand CAN well enough to know that any modern chip with CAN Bus meets the same standards, including voltage levels. I used an ARM7 LPC2100 chip when I built my CAN-based piggy back fuel controller back in '06, and am using a CAN -> USB dongle for this project. It is not a CAN "scanner", and came with no software.

My goal was simply to develop a good software dyno application for my laptop to help with FlashPro tuning. I wrote the Soft Dyno last year (which can be downloaded for free), but it's pretty time consuming to use. All of the software dynos (or "eDynos") that I've found require the user to download and export the FlashPro datalog to a file, then import or upload to something else. It's not very convenient while tuning on the road.

With my new application, I have real-time torque displayed on the screen as I drive. I can even leave the FlashPro in "Live Tuning" mode so that I can make changes to the tune, do a WOT pull, tweak the tune, do a WOT pull ... etc without even shutting off the engine.

Here's a screenshot of the 3 day old application.

Eagle_Phoenix

Go to this link I just took a photo and crook yourself with your eyes! on mc33290 .........


https://honda-tech.com/attachment.ph...1&d=1320354559

Here is the chip I just ordered ....

https://honda-tech.com/attachment.ph...1&d=1320336913

Well... if you are the money $$$ man and can afford a s2000 2007+ thats great, but people wants information in this cluster in order to install on their cars this technology .......

https://honda-tech.com/attachment.ph...1&d=1320354559

Here is your cluster .... I just develop hardware and do any programmable ECU as you can see some sample test I did developed some months ago ...

https://honda-tech.com/attachment.ph...1&d=1320354559

https://honda-tech.com/attachment.ph...1&d=1320354559


IF YOU WANT TO HELP US, GIVE US THE VARIATION CODE THAT FLOWS INTO CAN NODE NETWORK ........... TELL US EXACTLY WHAT MAKE THE 19 SEGMENT BAR MOVE UP AND DOWN!

LETS SEE IF YOU GOT IT!

Gernby

Dude... you can post pictures of random electronics all day long, and it's not going to make up for the fact that you've ONLY been posting worthless info for the last 13 months. You posted worthless schematics, chip model numbers, and requested OTHER PEOPLE to actually do something. How far did that get you over the last 13 months?

I just decided to start this project about 10 days ago, and I'm almost finished! If I ever run out of ways to waste my time on worthless projects that don't interest me at all, I'll take up your offer to work on a transplanted S2000 cluster.

Eagle_Phoenix

This is the last answer for you!

It seems that you just want to date me! hey!!!! I only date girls, your sister could be nice if she is not annoying as you.


Yes, I was many months creating this converter and I did! canbus is a difficult technology for people like you that has money to buy a honda s2000 but does not understand nothing about can messages and how the hardware must work.

I really will not loose my time with you and I will answer this, but it will be the last, I will really appreciate to answer for your sister if she is not very FAT and disgusting.........

Can bus is not that difficult if you understand how messages are sent into a rs232, the difference is the voltage level and your arseeeeeee that is bleeding now.

So please, if you talk again with me, give me your mother phone as I must procreate a new race that does not keep annoying others and does not talk too much bulshit.

GO TO STUDY AND DO NOT SUCK MY *****!

DCFIVER

That is incorrect. The protocols were established, but only for initial scan tool communincation on the k-line. Generic data. The first link you posted"software dyno" is a clear indicator of this. All of the data displayed is generic and can be had with any aftermarket scan tool. Eagle Phoenix is trying to decipher and control proprietary data, which to date,I have not see anyone do. I have no interest, nor any particular know how when it comes to rewriting or deciphering binary code, but as my job as a technical troubleshooter I do understand the systems, how they work and communicate. Whether or not it is a simple matter to decipher the code and change the out put, I cannot say, but if it is, perhaps you would like to lend assitance in this area rather than belittling the dude. I know he comes off as...well....strange.I think it may have to do with his command of English.

Eagle_Phoenix

Dear DCFIVER, thanks for saving me and sorry for what happened here just now ....

I've being working very hard in some projects (no this one now) and then some one just appear and begin to impersonate me as wanting to date me?

hausahsu

I could sort out this stuff but it is still a little buggy, I developed a can module with a motorola "QFP" socket and a transceiver exactly as the s2000 honda ap2 canbus "mc33290", that's the man!


We see that some people may have money to buy a honda s2000 ap2 2007+ but still we are in a such debt crisis, so .... this cluster is very nice and some pople just like to use it on their car.

It could look as having a s2000 portable into your car (if the fitting is really made properly then it will look perfect).

I just don't understand why some people just loose their time, arguing, chasing or making stupid comments and still so tries to use authority as is a tel com technician or lick the ***** of people like us.




QUOTE=DCFIVER;46302040]That is incorrect. The protocols were established, but only for initial scan tool communincation on the k-line. Generic data. The first link you posted"software dyno" is a clear indicator of this. All of the data displayed is generic and can be had with any aftermarket scan tool. Eagle Phoenix is trying to decipher proprietary data, which to date,I have not see anyone do. I have no interest, nor any particular know how when it comes to rewriting or deciphering binary code, but as my job as a technical troubleshooter I do understand the systems, how they work, and communicate, very well. Whether or not it is a simple matter to decipher the code I cannot say, but if it is, perhaps you would like to lend assitance in this area rather than belittling the dude. I know he comes off as...well....strange.I think it may have to do with his command of English.[/QUOTE]

Eagle_Phoenix

FIRST OF ALL WE MUST UNDERSTAND HOW THE HARDWARE WORK ELECTRICALLY IN THIS AND THEN WE COULD MOVE TO HOW MESSAGES ARE SENT AND HOW IT IS RECEIVED, BUT ON HONDA CANBUS IN THIS CASE, THERE IS ONLY THE CLUSTER AVAILABLE, AND THEN MY MISSION WAS TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT KIND OF HARDWARE THE CLUSTER USE TO MOVING FORWARD ALL THIS TOGETHER...

IT IS MORE THAN ONE YEAR I WANT TO MAKE IT, I CANNOT WORK 24 HOURS PER DAY IN THIS, THIS IS AN ENTHUSIASTIC PROJECT AND IT IS NOT ILLEGAL (ILLEGAL IS THE COMPANIES THAT PUT CANBUS HIDDEN IN OUR CARS AND REFUSE TO GIVE DETAILS IN ORDER TO FORCE YOU TO COME THEIR WORKSHOP, THIS IS ILLEGAL.

We learned with this "S2000 Clsuter 2007" many principals that using all we learned, we can make a kind of tool to catch canbus signal of any car (we could create a changeable circuit, that could be removed from the can module and we could call this "tranceiver board" as there are many kind of canbus, then this could help to make my tool universal.

ISO9141

ISO9141-2

SAE J1850

CANBUS WITH ONE WIRE (K-LINE ONLY 1 WIRE AND A GROUND)

CANBUS WITH TWO WIRE (K-HIGH AND K-LOW 2 WIRE AND A GROUND)

After the stuff that has one wire or two wires for communication it is not much different on my study this months ....

I got many ... but many data about canbus.

THE INFORMATION HERE IS NOT BULSHIT, I DON'T DO DRUGS, I AM AN ETHICAL DEVELOPER ON MANY DIFFERENT THINGS, I LIKE TO CREATE NEW THINGS, I CREATE CAR AMPLIFIERS, DIGITAL POWER SUPPLIES, CAR ECUS AND ALSO I LIKE TO CREATE MANY SMART SOLUTIONS, I GO FOR INFORMATION NEEDED AND SOME TIMES IT MAY TAKE ONE YEAR OR MORE TO FINISH A PROJECT.

BUT MY ETHICAL KNOWLEDGE IS THAT YOU MAY TRY 1000 TIMES TO DO SOMETHING, IF YOU FAIL AND GIVE UP, YOU WILL BE FAILED... BUT IF YOU TRY AGAIN .... AGAIN .... AGAIN AND AGAIN, ONE DAY YOU WILL SUCCEED AND YOUR HAPPY SMILE WILL BE SO BIG THAT NOTHING WILL MAKE YOU MORE HAPPY.

INFORMATION FOUND HERE YOU WERE GOING TO SPEND HOURS AND HOURS .......... OR EVEN MAKING A VERY EXPENSIVE COURSE OF CANBUS MESSAGE FOR MAYBE NOTHING MORE THAN SOME TOOLS OF $1.000USD OR EVEN MORE $2.000USD OR EVEN THOSE VALUES IN BRITISH POUNDS MONEY.

THERE IS SOME TOOLS THAT CAN READ AND RECEIVE .... THEY COST YOU A FORTUNE BUT EVEN SO YOU MUST UNDERSTAND HOW MESSAGES FLOW IN YOUR SPECIFICAL HARDWARE AND THIS IS NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN DO JUST LOGGING A CHEAP CHINESE SCANNER IN YOUR NOTEBOOK AND CATCHING SOME PARAMETERS........

IN THIS CLUSTER CASE, IT HAS A SHIFT CONVERTER, THIS SHIFT IS RESPONSIBLE TO "GROUND" THE 19 LED BAR SEGMENT (THE COOLANT HAS 19 KIND OF LEDS INSIDE IT) AND THEN THE "MCU" OF CLUSTER CONTROL WITH THE SHIFT CONVERTER WHAT TO LIGHT UP IN RELATION TO CAN MESSAGE INFO RECEIVED FROM 'K-LINE"

Eagle_Phoenix

1=MESSAGE IS SENT TO "CLUSTER MCU" THROUGH THE MC33290 CAN TRANSCEIVER...... THEN THE MCU RECEIVE IT AND COMMUNICATE ON SHIFT REGISTER THAT LIGHT UP THE LEDBARS.

2=THE CLUSTER DOES NOT COMMUNICATE STRAIGHT WITH COOLANT SENSOR, THE COOLANT SENSOR

3= ECU WIRE LINK THE COOLANT RESISTANCE, SO ECU USE THE SENSE TEMP AND CONVERT IT TO CAN-BUS MESSAGES AND SEND IT TO MC33290 TRANSCEIVER BEHIND THE CLUSTER THAT FORWARD TO MCU ON CLUSTER AND CLUSTER WORK WITH SHIFT REGISTER TO LIGHT UP THE BAR LEDS ON CLUSTER S2000.

THIS IS HOW THE HARDWARE WORK, IT TOOK ME MANY DAYS TO A NORMAL BEING WITHOUT SPENDING A FORTUNE ON CANBUS CURSES.

THE WARNING ENGINE CHECK LIGHT ALSO WORKS IN THIS WAY, ONCE THERE IS SOME ABNORMAL ISSUE ON ENGINE DETECTED BY "CAR ECU" DO NOT MIX CAR CLUSTER IN THIS, IT IS THE ENGINE ECU THAT DECIDES WHAT KIND OF CODE IT WILL SEND ON ISO-KLINE.

THEN, THIS SHOW US THAT MY JOB IS DONE PERFECT, AS I COULD CREATE AND UNDERSTAND THE PROTOCOLS THAT FLOWS IN THIS NETWORK AND CREATED A CANBUS MODULE (WITH ADJUSTABLE PARAMETERS ON ANY COOLANT) SETTING THIS WITH THE CAN MESSAGES THAT THE S2000 CLUSTER IS PREPARED TO RECEIVE.

I DID ALL THIS ALONE, BUT STILL HAS SOME BUGGYS, IT IS NOT VERY STABLE .... THERE IS STILL SOMETHING TO BE DONE!

Gernby

I just happened across this thread today, and decided I might as well provide an update.

Here is a video showing the software I wrote, which I use for FlashPro tuning on the street (Live Tuning rocks). The software is a silent "listener" on the CAN Bus (via CAN Dongle), and captures the OEM CAN Data. I do not use any OBD-II PID's at all, since everything I need is already streaming on the bus at a high frame rate. It took a while to decode all the proprietary data, but it was worth the effort!

Here's a video...

biohazardx369

That is Sick!

Gernby

Thanks. It's even more "sick" now that I have it working wirelessly on my Microsoft Surface Pro.

I need to do a new video!

viperidae

Do you have any information on the CAN messages Honda use? I'm starting a project to replace the Japanese Internavi with a car pc. It would be very helpful if I didn't have to trail and error working out what message is what.

Thanks in advance.