Somalie187

iTrader: (1)

Hey guys putting together a list of suspension components for my little 1995 eg sex. Wanted to get peoples opinions about the chosen setup.

Suspension Setup

AMR Coil-overs 550fr/650rr spring rates (in possession)

King Motorsports Rear Camber Kit (in possession $75 used)

J's Racing Roll Center Adjuster's (TBD)

AMR Front Camber Kits (waiting for completion)

Full-Race Prostreet Traction Bar (TBD)

Hardrace Bushings (TBD)
Revised: From Mugen.

Quaife Quick-Ratio Rack and Pinion Kit 2.83 LTL (TBD)

I'd like to provide some side notes to some parts and why I chose them.

AMR - The Owner is on the level when it comes to the pride he holds for his product. Lifetime Warranty, and free market principles. I'm in!

Kings Motorsports, well this one came about as a result of a friend needing my stock rear camber arms and trading me for one side. Got the other side 3 years later. Lol.

I don't plan on going very low with the car so the RCA's come into question. As some I have spoke to say they are not needed unless your going really low. And my lower ball joints are blown. But I would like to achieve in getting the roll center and center of gravity as close as possible to each other. Is this achievable?

Mugen Bushings were recommended to me by a friend.
Problem is on the RLCA's Bushings there is no shock absorber bushings like with the front. So need to find some or use oem set.

I've decided that I would like to learn on this setup with a proper alignment and corner balancing.
By the gurus Darin and Chris at West End Alignment.
Tuned for neutral with slight understeer for street and track seems like a safe learning curve to be on.

Later if necessary I will look towards the proper sway bar sizes front and rear. When I get a better feel for my car and abilities. Also perhaps swapping from the stock 70hp to a built k20 (250whp, 175 tq.) will also change how I select my sway bar sizing.

I feel this is a good progression.

If anyone has anything to add in regards to suspension please do.

GagnarTheUnruly

iTrader: (3)

Get HardRace or PIC/SUJA1 bushings. Does Mugen even still make bushings? Either way they're overpriced and not that great!

Why are you replacing all your suspension arms and shock forks?

98civdx

AMR makes camber kits?!


Mugen bushings are very expensive. I am talking in the 8-1k range to do the car. If, they even still make them, which I am unsure of. I know I have seen some things say they were discountinued, but I don't know.


PIC bushings would be a great choice, and they're only about $250

Have you replace tie rods? You could just do new OEM lower ball joints.


As for the sway bars, are you currently not running any?

Somalie187

iTrader: (1)

King Motorsports has the bushings which come out to about 450 I believe. The car is entirely stock civic cx, so laying down 70hp lol. I currently have poly in my lca's and it's tearing out. I have front and rear strut bars which I bought on impulse pwjdm 3 point and 4 point.

GagnarTheUnruly

iTrader: (3)

I looked and it's close to $1000 for the full set that PIC offers for $225. I've even heard that PIC has better fitment.

Somalie187

iTrader: (1)

Well I have easier access to hardrace, but what am I suppose to do with the bushings I won't be using. Like the rear camber kit? Is hardraces fitment the same as pic?

Hardrace $280 from JHPUSA in SoCal

Libertariat

Sounds like a serious contender in ST class. Everything looks good to me so far. I'd be scared of you, haha. My first season was last year and it's an absolute blast. If I had it to do over again I would have gone with AMR for sure with probably 550/450 rates and a 24mm rear swaybar since my car is a daily driver.

What tires are you planning on using? The Yokohama S. Drives are a great summer tire, not the stickiest of the sticky, but they're quiet and offer the best fuel mileage of the bunch if that's a concern. WAY stickier than the 280 treadwear nitto neo gens I had. Phenomenal wet traction.

You remind me of myself, running ST with solid suspension and waiting for a solid N/A swap. I'm going to be doing an h2b swap/ITR trans in Jan/Feb and leaving it stock (220whp hopefully).

If I were you I'd stick my nose in the autocross forum if you're considering the roll center adjusters and see what people think of them and how to use them effectively.

Somalie187

iTrader: (1)

Lol thanks Lib,

Never really knew what class it would be, just doing what I can.

So what are your thoughts on the hardrace bushings as compared to the mugen?

Libertariat

I would have to guess that with Mugen you're just paying for the name. I've been a big fan of hard race for a long time though, great stuff that many members on the board have embraced for years. You're also saving a bit of money with them as well. Hard rubber is definitely the way to go for anything that isn't a trailer/track queen.

Somalie187

iTrader: (1)

Hey if I install the bushings with the RCA's should I clock the bushings differently for the lowered car?

STOCK_SOHC_DX

You should ask the West End guys what they think about the RCA's. After your set up is installed LMK what those guys think about your AMR's! I own 2 sets and love them. As for the Mugen bushings I'd say they are good. I have hardrace myself but nobody can answer how long those are gonna last. We all know how long stock bushing last.

Somalie187

iTrader: (1)

RCA's they said if I was going lower perhaps, I was thinking a couple finger gap. So no idea if that's low enough to warrant them. I did show them the coilovers when I went in. They were being modest, but was intrigued by them. Real test will be on install day. Well Darin drives that EF Civic with 9k JRZ Coilovers. So they have much to live up to in his eyes I believe.

STOCK_SOHC_DX

I probably would listen to Darin's advice > All of us pee-on's. I mean he is a suspension pro so he better know a hell of a lot more than us.

civexspeedy

Sounds like a decent setup. If you aren't going extremely low, the RCA's aren't necessary. Might acutally hurt more than anything if you do get them. I'd also skip out on the traction bar. Absolutely not necessary. They are benefical for drag racing, for autox or road racing they'll probably create a whole lot more understeer. Plus, even when you do your motor swap, it's really not necessary. For the bushings, I'd go with Hardrace. Cheaper and easier to get. Mugen are nice, but just too expensive for what they are..

Any thoughts to getting a rear swaybar?

Won't be ST legal if he get's the RCA's and traction bars.

Tires are the best mod you can do aside from the driver mod. I use those Yokohama S.Drives for my street wheels on my race car. They are good, but very far from the best. Even in AutoX conditions, they get very very slippery when hot. Great, true street tire but for track conditions, not so great.

I've only seen one person post in the RR/AX forum that uses the RCA's and he was reeeeeallly low, definitely slammed. Very few people go that low when they track their cars. There may be others using them, but havn't seen any mentioning of them. I've never personally seen or heard anyone using them on a Civic in my 6 years involved with motorsport racing.

My stock bushings lasted me ~200k miles when I replaced them and the LCA's. They were still in really great shape when they came out. Don't know if those hard rubber bushings would last quite as long as stock, esp under harsh conditions. But I'd be confident that the hard rubber bushings would last a very long time.

STOCK_SOHC_DX

That's what I meant since Stock quality = Mugen pretty much.

00IntegrAllmotoR

iTrader: (1)

Do u have any info on the AMR camber kit? Can't find any on the site.
Traction bar is not needed.

98civdx

PM Andy.

Somalie187

iTrader: (1)

Ok decided to go with Hardrace Bushings Kit.

And I will also remove the RCA's, but couldn't I technically machine my own RCA's to bring the suspension arms to a proper angle.

In regards to the Traction Bars, how could it cause under steer?

Thanks for the advice so far guys. I guess I am not building a Class sanctioned car. And the KM Rear camber kit is heim jointed spherical bushings so I think it would be outside of ST class. Where can I find these rules?