Ek Hatch 98 ASR Subframe + Swaybar
06-10-2008, 12:49 AM
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Ek Hatch 98 ASR Subframe + Swaybar
guys i have a 98 civic hatch DX and i am thinking of geting ASR Subframe brace with Type R 22mm sway bar, along with blox endlink and OEM bushing. I DONT HAVE FRONT Sway bar so will this make the car OverSTEER alot? and also will it cause tear on the chassis?
Btw i have Buddy Club Coilover (8k front 6k rear i think)
Btw i have Buddy Club Coilover (8k front 6k rear i think)
06-10-2008, 11:30 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vietnameeh »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it will make the car oversteer....
how much depends on the driver</TD></TR></TABLE>
try getting a aftermarket front sway or go with a oem ex or si front sway.
how much depends on the driver</TD></TR></TABLE>
try getting a aftermarket front sway or go with a oem ex or si front sway.
06-14-2008, 04:19 PM
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Alright, so I am basically in the same situation as the OP and need to know an answer from someone that is running or ran at one point an ASR Subframe Brace w/ a 22mm Rear Sway Bar and NO Front Sway Bar on an EK Hatch ...
Main reason being that Hatchbacks have terrible weight distribution (unlike coupes/sedans). The weight distribution on Hatches is like 70% Front and 30% Rear ... That being said, one way to solve this is by stiffening the Rear so that you can accomplish a more well weight distributed car. This can obviously be accomplished by getting stiffer rear springs, adding sway bars, etc ...
So to me the ASR Subframe Brace w/ a 22mm Rear Sway Bar and NO Front Sway Bar on an EK Hatch will not cause any Oversteer (or if it does it should be very minimal). I however, have not tried this out myself, so of course if anyone has this Setup on their EK Hatch, please post here what your results were.
Oh and to answer the OP's other question, no this will not cause the Subframe to tear out, that's the purpose of the ASR Reinforcement Brace, to Reinforce the Rear Subframe so that it does not tear when using a bigger swaybar.
Main reason being that Hatchbacks have terrible weight distribution (unlike coupes/sedans). The weight distribution on Hatches is like 70% Front and 30% Rear ... That being said, one way to solve this is by stiffening the Rear so that you can accomplish a more well weight distributed car. This can obviously be accomplished by getting stiffer rear springs, adding sway bars, etc ...
So to me the ASR Subframe Brace w/ a 22mm Rear Sway Bar and NO Front Sway Bar on an EK Hatch will not cause any Oversteer (or if it does it should be very minimal). I however, have not tried this out myself, so of course if anyone has this Setup on their EK Hatch, please post here what your results were.
Oh and to answer the OP's other question, no this will not cause the Subframe to tear out, that's the purpose of the ASR Reinforcement Brace, to Reinforce the Rear Subframe so that it does not tear when using a bigger swaybar.
06-14-2008, 10:50 PM
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^ good outlook.. i' like to see some more opinions on this topic.. cause i plan to do the rear end on my ek but i want to know others experiences with not doing the front..
06-15-2008, 11:48 AM
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i have a 97 dx hatch.
omni 10k/8k full coilovers
ASR brace + itr 22mm rear sway
no front sway.
the car will tend to oversteer as i experienced running 14" HX's.
however, after putting on my 15x7 +20 offset wheels, the car is more stable and oversteer has been reduced to a more nuetral feeling. that goes without saying that I've also been adjusted to the driving characteristics of the car and know how the car handles.
you can control oversteer by keeping your foot on the gas etc. and rim/tire size as well.
omni 10k/8k full coilovers
ASR brace + itr 22mm rear sway
no front sway.
the car will tend to oversteer as i experienced running 14" HX's.
however, after putting on my 15x7 +20 offset wheels, the car is more stable and oversteer has been reduced to a more nuetral feeling. that goes without saying that I've also been adjusted to the driving characteristics of the car and know how the car handles.
you can control oversteer by keeping your foot on the gas etc. and rim/tire size as well.
06-15-2008, 12:14 PM
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^ Very good to hear about someone running the actual setup, thanks for sharing ...
I have to agree that Tires will definitely be a HUGE part of how the car handles/corners ... I think that with an ASR Brace, 22mm Rear Sway Bar, and some Good Performance Tires the handling of an EK Hatch should be pretty neutral without the need of a Front Sway Bar.
mormonboy, what Tires are you currently running on your 97 EK Hatch? Also, how do you like the Omni Full Coilovers? I've heard a lot of mixed reviews on those ...
...I have to agree that Tires will definitely be a HUGE part of how the car handles/corners ... I think that with an ASR Brace, 22mm Rear Sway Bar, and some Good Performance Tires the handling of an EK Hatch should be pretty neutral without the need of a Front Sway Bar.
mormonboy, what Tires are you currently running on your 97 EK Hatch? Also, how do you like the Omni Full Coilovers? I've heard a lot of mixed reviews on those ...
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06-16-2008, 01:15 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by talkJDM »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
mormonboy, what Tires are you currently running on your 97 EK Hatch? Also, how do you like the Omni Full Coilovers? I've heard a lot of mixed reviews on those ...</TD></TR></TABLE>
on my 15x7 +20, im running Yokohoma something or order 195/50/15's.
the low offset and low profile tire makes for excellent cornering stability and response. I can tell when the front tires r losing grip etc.
the omni's r coo. ive had them for about 2 years, slammed all the way around, and they have yet to blow. The ride isn't anywhere near "bouncy" as people say. Very comfortable, yet perform well and keeps the car flat when hittin the corners.
im about to upgrade to some PIC coilovers maybe 14k/12k or something like that. fo sho.
mormonboy, what Tires are you currently running on your 97 EK Hatch? Also, how do you like the Omni Full Coilovers? I've heard a lot of mixed reviews on those ...</TD></TR></TABLE>
on my 15x7 +20, im running Yokohoma something or order 195/50/15's.
the low offset and low profile tire makes for excellent cornering stability and response. I can tell when the front tires r losing grip etc.
the omni's r coo. ive had them for about 2 years, slammed all the way around, and they have yet to blow. The ride isn't anywhere near "bouncy" as people say. Very comfortable, yet perform well and keeps the car flat when hittin the corners.
im about to upgrade to some PIC coilovers maybe 14k/12k or something like that. fo sho.
06-16-2008, 09:51 AM
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hmm.. I understand oversteer is necessary for better handling input, but not having anything up front is like delaying handling response to driver. Civic is FF, and front wheels do everything from go to stop to turn. Front is where it should be stiffen up. Rear is just dragging here and there. Basically what I am wanting to say is that proper suspenstion setup with front sway bar will not cause understeer and improve handling of the car. It is not jsut the swaybar that makes car turn right? choosing different front and rear tire and rim size, setting camber angles, putting different set of spring rates, all these contribute to the handling factor.
Even spoon n1 ek9 racing car used to run with 30mm front and stock 22mm rear.
Even spoon n1 ek9 racing car used to run with 30mm front and stock 22mm rear.
06-16-2008, 03:39 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TotalBalance »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hmm.. I understand oversteer is necessary for better handling input, but not having anything up front is like delaying handling response to driver. Civic is FF, and front wheels do everything from go to stop to turn. Front is where it should be stiffen up. Rear is just dragging here and there. Basically what I am wanting to say is that proper suspenstion setup with front sway bar will not cause understeer and improve handling of the car. It is not jsut the swaybar that makes car turn right? choosing different front and rear tire and rim size, setting camber angles, putting different set of spring rates, all these contribute to the handling factor.
Even spoon n1 ek9 racing car used to run with 30mm front and stock 22mm rear. </TD></TR></TABLE>
yeah i definitely agree. the ideal setup is to have front and rear sways etc. but for dx/cx ek hatches, that means either getting an OEM set up (oem ex/si front lcas, swaybar, brackets, bolts etc) or getting a crappy aftermarket setup like Suspension Techniques frontsway bar kit.
but yeah, the optimal set up is to have front and rear sway bars. fo sho.
Even spoon n1 ek9 racing car used to run with 30mm front and stock 22mm rear.
</TD></TR></TABLE>yeah i definitely agree. the ideal setup is to have front and rear sways etc. but for dx/cx ek hatches, that means either getting an OEM set up (oem ex/si front lcas, swaybar, brackets, bolts etc) or getting a crappy aftermarket setup like Suspension Techniques frontsway bar kit.
but yeah, the optimal set up is to have front and rear sway bars. fo sho.
06-16-2008, 04:19 PM
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Yes, without a doubt running a Front Sway Bar & a Rear Sway Bar would be ideal, but like mormonboy said you'd need to also get EX LCAs & Hardware to run one or go with Si LCAS, Si Forks, and Hardware to run one.
I just wanted to get more info on people that have EK Hatches and run only a Rear Sway Bar what their car handles like.
I just spoke with a friend of mine and he's running a 24mm Rear Sway Bar, ASR Brace, and Tein Flex on his EK Hatch ... He says the car handles great overall and that in corners he does encounter some Oversteer, but not much.
I just wanted to get more info on people that have EK Hatches and run only a Rear Sway Bar what their car handles like.
I just spoke with a friend of mine and he's running a 24mm Rear Sway Bar, ASR Brace, and Tein Flex on his EK Hatch ... He says the car handles great overall and that in corners he does encounter some Oversteer, but not much.
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