nonsense

OK first let me tell you about my current setup, and what I want out of my car.

99 Civic DX Coupe, Eibach prokits, Koni Sports, no sways. I use my car for daily driving and occasional track days.

The things I'm concerned with are;
too much body roll (current setup)
too harsh of a ride (high rate GC's)
too tail happy for the street (not too concerned about this one actually)
subframe damage (low spring rates + Skunk or ITR bar with Beaks)

I'm contemplating a few different setups at this point and would like advice on the following setups. Also if you advise GC's give me a rate range that would keep me happy on the streets too

A) Keep the prokits, add rear Skunk2 or ITR anti-sway bar with Beaks kit and no front.

B) Keep the prokits, add rear Skunk2 or ITR anti-sway bar with Beaks kit, plus add a Suspension Techniques front sway (would require buying EX LCA's).

C) Get Ground Controls and stay without ways for now

D) Get GC's and a rear Skunk2 or ITR anti-sway bar with Beaks kit and no front

E) Get GC's and a rear Skunk2 or ITR anti-sway bar with Beaks kit, plus add a Suspension Techniques front sway (would require buying EX LCA's).

Thanks,
Steve

.RJ

GC + front and rear sways - OEM ITR will be fine, and they're cheap

nonsense

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my only concern with the ITR bar is subframe damage. I'm kinda paranoid about it I know the Beaks kit is good, but there have been reports of it still failing.

oh and there's the budget thing too I could get a pretty good deal on front and rear sways, but GC's would put me over my budget right now. I guess it's a one-or-the-other thing at this time but eventually I'll go with the other. So I guess the real question is . . . . . which one first?

.RJ

GC first, sways later

stealth512

what about if he just got something like the comptech rear swaybar tie bar combo? and maybe a front swaybar after.

nonsense

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I've thought about comptech and ASR too, but I'm not sure if it is worth the extra $$ over an ITR sway.


I think what I'm going to do is get the GC's and wait on the sways for now. All I have to do is figure out what rates I want. I don't want to go too low or too high, but I guess anything will be an improvement over what I have now.

Marauder

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I don't want to go too low or too high, but I guess anything will be an improvement over what I have now. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Me either, but I got the ground controls for my integra just so I could swap out the springs for any Eibach's I want to change the rates later.

bad-monkey

it's hard to say since i drive a bigger, heavier car, and i'm not sure how you drive, but if i were you* i'd go with the GC's w/ 400f/500R rates and an ITR rear sway.

Running a front sway is a preference thing for a lot of people. I removed my front sway a few months ago, and found that it handcuffed me a little in A/X situations. Turn in isn't as crisp, there's some more body roll, and it's harder to make quick L-R transitions. However, the car rotates nicely, the F sway bar and hardware weighs about 20 lbs and it's off the front of the car. So while the car isn't as capable in an AX slalom, it feels much better in HPDE/Track situations. I've tried to compensate for the extra body roll by stiffening the rear sway (it's adj) and lowering ride height some, and it's not unlive-able.

Lo-Buck EF

gc's . im actually thinking of going back to koni/gc after going the coilover route. as for the front bar, id definatley put somehting on. a front bar may or may not deminish the tail happiness of the car, but it will also do good things for the front end geometry and keeping that geometry when the car is loaded.

slammed_93_hatch

get GC's, comptech rear sway (no worries about subframe damage). Drive it see how you like it, if you feel it isn't good enough, and to much roll up front with the spring rates you like then go put one up front.


I have had 4 setup, GC and AGX's no sway, fine for every day, then i went to GC and koni's and 19mm rear way, again fine for daily driving, but on the track it would understeer when driven hard (rate were 380f 450rear). Then i put the comptech rear sway again fine for daily driving, never got it too the track (blew my motor). Now i have koni SPSS3's with 600f and 800r with a comptech rear sway bar, dunno how its going to handle becuase the car is on jack stands and the motor is torn apart, ill give some fed back when im done.


Some people like the no front, others like a small one. I have been perfectly happy with no front so i probably wont be putting one on any time soon

nonsense

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slammed_93_hatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">get GC's, comptech rear sway (no worries about subframe damage). Drive it see how you like it, if you feel it isn't good enough, and to much roll up front with the spring rates you like then go put one up front.


I have had 4 setup, GC and AGX's no sway, fine for every day, then i went to GC and koni's and 19mm rear way, again fine for daily driving, but on the track it would understeer when driven hard (rate were 380f 450rear). Then i put the comptech rear sway again fine for daily driving, never got it too the track (blew my motor). Now i have koni SPSS3's with 600f and 800r with a comptech rear sway bar, dunno how its going to handle becuase the car is on jack stands and the motor is torn apart, ill give some fed back when im done.


Some people like the no front, others like a small one. I have been perfectly happy with no front so i probably wont be putting one on any time soon</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thanks for the advise. How'd the car feel on the road with the 450's in the rear? I'd think it would be kinda harsh. I may just go with 300f/350r or 350f/400r and no sway. Probably lighter first, then if the ride feels nice I'll add a sway later to battle against body roll.

The way I see it I'd rather have a whole weekend of NASA HPDE than a rear sway at this point. It'll most likely shave off more from my lap times.