Team 4

16's for the look. Find a set that's light enough and you're set. It seems there are more tires available for 15's (proper size) though.

Debaser

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Actually my brakes won't clear 15's anymore.
I think 3 times is better.
I forgot I mention'd it before. Besides once is never enough.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Ok Toronto, Georgia, before you mention it a 4th time, what brakes are you running? This has been my biggest concern in the whole 15/16 debate. I got an AEM big brake kit for a song. I know I can't do 15's, but what's the offset on your 16's?

Mr Hammond

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Good points... kommon, but what happens when you have a set of 10-12lbs 16's..</TD></TR></TABLE>

It's not about overal mass but rotational mass. I'll take a 12-14lb 15" wheel over a 10-12lb wheel because of rotational mass keeping it closer to the center.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">On top of that, what is holding a 1900 lb hatch to the ground when in a 90mph turn on the track</TD></TR></TABLE>

This is just horrible logic you think heavier wheels are going to hold a car better to the track because of weight? :shakes head:


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">JGTC, granted are super cars, but they wouldnt be using such large wheels if they weren't beneficial.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You know why they run these? Becaue they are REQUIRED too. Not to mention 13-14" 6-10 pistons (some cases dual caliper) brakes aren't exactly easy to clear. Just like the TCC's run 17-19's becaue they HAVE to. Same thing with Speed Challenge cars.

The reason you go with smaller rims in drag is because you want a LOT of sidewall and you want a soft sidewall.

In road racing and autocross you wanta stiff sidewall and a tire with a lot of lateral grip. You still want sidewall. I don't think I would ever run a 40-45 series 205/215 tires.

Lot's of guyes making big power have great luck w/ 225/50/15's. I'll take that over a 225/45/16 or 17 any day of the week, drag/autox/road course whatever.

Tad

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In road racing and autocross you wanta stiff sidewall and a tire with a lot of lateral grip. You still want sidewall. I don't think I would ever run a 40-45 series 205/215 tires.

Lot's of guyes making big power have great luck w/ 225/50/15's. I'll take that over a 225/45/16 or 17 any day of the week, drag/autox/road course whatever.</TD></TR></TABLE>

really? So you'd say the sidewall on a 205-45-16 tire would be too small???
or a 215-40-16?
I agree about the 205-40-16, those are just ridiculous

New Image

15"- Pros....lighter,still atleast a 1" plus size from stock, tried and true size with the JDM crowd, looks good on an eg civic w/ the right ride height (doesn't raise the car to truck heights if a set of springs or coilovers is still on the wish list), easier on the wallet...-Cons....for my taste none...just if you chose 15's i think anymore tire than 195/50 is gonna be too much...16"-Pros.... light still, still easier on wallet than 17's and up...-Cons...little more weight and a little more cash
Conclusion: 15" is a winner for an eg civic for both performance and value. i think 16's are a better choice for an ek civic or dc integra or if you are gonna have a bodykit on your ride. 15" is clean lean and easy on that precious green, know what i mean?
i like rota. if you are familiar with spoon, mugen and volk chances are you will too.
i recommend Falken tires...the Azenis are real nice
My 94 civic coupe has 15x6.5" 205/50/R15 Rota Group-N flat black w/ red lip w/ Falken Ziex tires and have no complaints.....good luck

Tad

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94JDMEG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">15"- Pros....lighter,still atleast a 1" plus size from stock, tried and true size with the JDM crowd, looks good on an eg civic w/ the right ride height (doesn't raise the car to truck heights if a set of springs or coilovers is still on the wish list), easier on the wallet...-Cons....for my taste none...just if you chose 15's i think anymore tire than 195/50 is gonna be too much...16"-Pros.... light still, still easier on wallet than 17's and up...-Cons...little more weight and a little more cash
Conclusion: 15" is a winner for an eg civic for both performance and value. i think 16's are a better choice for an ek civic or dc integra or if you are gonna have a bodykit on your ride. 15" is clean lean and easy on that precious green, know what i mean?
i like rota. if you are familiar with spoon, mugen and volk chances are you will too.
i recommend Falken tires...the Azenis are real nice
My 94 civic coupe has 15x6.5" 205/50/R15 Rota Group-N flat black w/ red lip w/ Falken Ziex tires and have no complaints.....good luck </TD></TR></TABLE>

thanks, good reply

I think 15's are probably the best bet for an eg hatch.

hmmm... if anyone wants to post a bunch of pics of 16's and 15's on eg hatches i'd be much abliged

AmginE

i wouldn't think that inch matters. it's the width of the wheel, not it's height, with everything else equal. I'd prefer 15" x 7" or 6.5" over 16" anything, that's just me though.

Bodman

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really? So you'd say the sidewall on a 205-45-16 tire would be too small???
or a 215-40-16?
I agree about the 205-40-16, those are just ridiculous</TD></TR></TABLE>
hey hey now i like my stunna tires

Richard.

GeT sOme 20z yO! lol jk

Get 15s they look better on a hatch imo.

EK MONEY

iTrader: (5)

15s most of the time are lighter and rotate faster.

EK MONEY

iTrader: (5)

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I believe that the contact patch is defined buy the tire size.

Tad

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I believe that the contact patch is defined buy the tire size.</TD></TR></TABLE>
yeah thats true but you can put a wider tire on a wider wheel.
you dont want your tires bulging way over the edges of the rim

beaslbob

here is a link to althonda and a thread from the 2001 scca solo 2 fsp national champion on wheel size. if it works

http://pub161.ezboard.com/fbse...topic

Apex i ITR

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Ok Toronto, Georgia, before you mention it a 4th time, what brakes are you running? This has been my biggest concern in the whole 15/16 debate. I got an AEM big brake kit for a song. I know I can't do 15's, but what's the offset on your 16's?

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WilWOod brakes with WilWood 12.5 rotors.

Wheels are +43 offset I believe (I gotta double check it could be +45) and the brakes barley clear (wheels design plays a small part in fitment and 16's with these brakes).

93CivicSI

15's with SO-3's

Rodney

15" with hoosiers, there is no faster combo....

Mattamotor

no rim as rim size goes up the contact patch does so to.

a 225/45R15 will have more contact patch than a 225/45R13

Mr Hammond

I'm pretty sure 225mm is 225mm. Rim width will effect is somewhat, but rim diameter isn't really going to effect contact patch.

WongFeihung

yea, great replys here..and I have nothing more to add because it all has been said. get the 15's man

lsvtec hatch05

it is all about what you like. i am personally running on gsr blocks right now and will either keep those or go to ls webs

nonsense

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damn that's light for a 16" . . . what wheels are those?

Daniel_san

did anybody read this link ? I did, took me about 15 minutes!

but if you actually took the time to read it, they tested a 98 lowered coupe with 14, 15,16 and 17" rims.

and according to them, bigger equals better, in all the test,

speed, traction, turning, smoothness.. everything


what gives ? I though from readng this tread that the 15s were going to put out the most performance, but the 16s were a bit better and the 17s a bit better then the 16s

can someone who knows what there talking about read this actical and reply.
cause I'm confused now.

DvSiR

16's! (16 x 7, 4 x 114.3 ADVAN RG)--dude's post

Isn't 114.3x4 a honda accord fitting? i thought civics and integras(besides type r) were 4x100 only...anyone else want to retort on that?

nonsense

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Freezing-acid &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">did anybody read this link ? I did, took me about 15 minutes!

but if you actually took the time to read it, they tested a 98 lowered coupe with 14, 15,16 and 17" rims.

and according to them, bigger equals better, in all the test,

speed, traction, turning, smoothness.. everything


what gives ? I though from readng this tread that the 15s were going to put out the most performance, but the 16s were a bit better and the 17s a bit better then the 16s

can someone who knows what there talking about read this actical and reply.
cause I'm confused now. </TD></TR></TABLE>

yup this about sums it up:

"As someone who has always felt that the added weight and increased rotational mass offered by 16- and 17-inch rims were too much for a small car like our test Civic, David came away very impressed by the larger tires and wheels. Sure the 14s rode down the highway the best, but they did nothing to inspire any confidence on both the streets and autocross course. Since all of the plus-size tires were detrimental to ride quality, why not go with the ones that look the best and offer the best handling?"

As for performance around an autox track with the same tires the bigger are better. They didn't test on a road course or a drag strip. I guess it depends on you're preferences. People like the feel of a 15" over a 16" because they are less harsh on the street. The 17's are going to weigh a bit more than the 15's, but there's more tire on the 15's so I'd be interested in seeing what the overall tire and wheel weights were. Probably minor differece when comparing two similar wheels in different sizes.

I guess what it boils down to is how much you want to spend, how you want it to ride on the streets and how much performance you want out of them. I'd personally go for 15" or maybe 16" simply because of cost. The minor difference it would make on an autox track is meaningless to me at this point because I'm not competing in autox and driving at a tire's limit on the streets is just plain dumb.

Steve

JforJonathan

i like the way 16's look...perfect size