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KOALA YUMMIES · 05-23-2003, 08:04 AM

Ok. It seems only a select few people know what they're talking about here when it comes to the 96 ITR brake swap and what parts will work for replacement. Referring to this thread:
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=504424
It has had the most useful information.

For the brake conversion what I know works and doesnt work:
Integra 94-97 Pads work front and back. Tried it.
The Prelude NON-VTEC rotors 91+ (which someone told me work) work as long as you space the caliper on the braket and use Grade-8 bolts.

From what I have heard:
The new Civic Hybrid Electric car the Hubs 4X114.3 will fit into the Integra GSR Hub Bearings.

SO PADS, HUBS AND BEARINGS ARE ALL REPLACEABLE. WHAT ABOUT THE ROTORS!?!?!?!?!?!

My front rotors are dying and was wondering what all the guys with the 96 ITR brake conversion have done, because your rotors will give up eventually.

Modified by KOALA YUMMIES at 5:02 PM 5/11/2004

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Spade · 05-23-2003, 08:07 AM

If I were to do it, I would "repair" with Brembo OEM replacements and slightly aggressive pads.

The brakes are large enough as is.

KOALA YUMMIES · 05-23-2003, 08:09 AM

Maybe you dont understand the problem???

THERE NEVER WAS A TYPE R IN THE US IN 1996, so there are no 4-lug (4x114.3) rotors available from dealerships or companies here...

kommon_sense · 05-23-2003, 08:12 AM

have you considered getting a set of USDM ITR rotors and having them redrilled to 4x114.3?

Spade · 05-23-2003, 08:15 AM

I'm sure if you contact Brembo, they would have them.

KOALA YUMMIES · 05-23-2003, 08:18 AM

I have considered getting Integra rotors and having a machine shop re-drill them. I will be contacting Brembo for them, but most likey they will be a super rare special order, and will cost a shitlaod, I dont know that they'd be available to the US market.

I know there are a bunch of other guys with the swap on here, and eventually they will have to replace their rotors.

Nextelbuddy · 05-23-2003, 08:28 AM

i too thought of this that is what deterred me from doing the 4 lug type r brake conversion and i just went ahead with the gsr front and rear conversion. i knew that the rotors would eventually give out and i wouldnt be able to find replacements as easily or as cheap as the gsr. the BLING factor wasnt worth it to me. i asked this question b4 knowing and have seen a as load of people do the 4 lug type r swap and no one wanted to answer its liek they want to keep it to themselves or they dont know either.

kommon_sense · 05-23-2003, 12:07 PM

Ok... I was under the impression that the Honda accord front brake caliper/rotor set was the same as what was on the ITR. Weren't some of the older model accords 4x114.3? I'm just going on tidbits that I remember from random posts. It may be time to measure the dimensions on one of your rotors and go to an autoparts store and find an oem rotor that fits. Honda tends to reuse things, so there has gotta be another honda/acura that uses the same rotors.

VX · 05-23-2003, 01:13 PM

Talk to SpooN Man (Holding a Group Buy on Fast Brakes).

I PM'ed about this very topic, here is the conversation:

(8:07 PM 5/18/2003) VX: I was wondering if Fast Brakes, makes any rotors that are for the 96 Spec. JDM ITR 4-lug wheels??? They are 4X114.3

(5:52 AM 5/19/2003) SpooN Man: yes they are the same as lude rotors. I'll e-mail brian about it.

(12:55 PM 5/19/2003) VX: are these rotors the same diameter, width as Fastbrakes' GSR rotors, just with a different spindle pattern???

(1:22 PM 5/19/2003) SpooN Man: yes, I think that they are the exact same but drilled for your 4 x 114 app. Lude 4 lug rotors are the same size also.

Modified by VX at 2:12 PM 5/23/2003

VX · 05-23-2003, 01:22 PM

Here's a pic of a replacement rotor for the 4x114.3 lug pattern. I'm almost positive that i got this pic from a member here on H-T. I don't remember who the member is or what kind of rotor this is.

jonas · 05-23-2003, 01:30 PM

PM "KJEG94" here on h-t. he went through hell and back with his 96 spec ITR 4x114.3 lug conversion.. he knows about this part too.

VX · 05-23-2003, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonas

PM "KJEG94" here on h-t. he went through hell and back with his 96 spec ITR 4x114.3 lug conversion.. he knows about this part too.

(1:36 PM 5/23/2003) VX: Hi, what replacement rotors did you find out that will bolt onto the 96 Spec. ITR hubs (4X114.3)??? BTW: nice site man, cool photos!

(1:47 PM 5/23/2003) KJEG94: thanks man. i ended up using 96 USDM gsr rear rotors. Redrilled by a machine shop to 4x114.3 and bored out in the center to fit the hub. Its only a slight amount to bore but if u have a stock jdm rotor they can match it

(2:09 PM 5/23/2003) VX: ahh i see, thanks man!

CXHatchback · 05-23-2003, 07:30 PM

I don't understand the point of getting the 4x114.3 conversion, is there something I'm missing? Aren't the brakes teh same as gsrs? What would make you choose to do this, aside from being "different"?

Evs-One · 05-23-2003, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CXHatchback

I don't understand the point of getting the 4x114.3 conversion, is there something I'm missing? Aren't the brakes teh same as gsrs? What would make you choose to do this, aside from being "different"?

same as GSR plus different wheel selection.

I think 800 bucks for a nice 4 disc setup plus mint wheels is a very good buy

KOALA YUMMIES · 05-23-2003, 09:13 PM

OMG!!! NO! The Prelude/Accord ROTORS DO NOT ****ING WORK!!!

I PERSONALLY TRIED THEM, so the guy at "FASTBRAKES" is LYING HIS ASS OFF.

That pic is ****ing off by a mile too, thats a huge caliper, thats either prelude VTEC or an accord caliper because that is way bigger than this.

Still waiting to hear from Brembo (had my shop contact them and contacted Brembo North America). Looks like Im going to have to re-drill the shit.

SamB16 · 05-24-2003, 08:19 AM

ok guys, use 92-96 Prelude VTEC Rotors (11'') I haven't actually done any 96 ITR swaps yet but that would be my assumption. If the 96 discs are actually smaller then I would say you should try the the two different types of Accord/Prelude discs.

Honda Accords at one point came with a ****ing weird disc, it may be that one. I'll give you both part numbers (Brembo)

094 2927

094 2924

one of those is a two piece ...... hope that helps you guys out

The above brake set looks like it uses 92-96 Prelude NON-VTEC

Modified by SamB16 at 4:31 PM 5/24/2003

VX · 05-24-2003, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SamB16

ok guys, use 92-96 Prelude VTEC Rotors (11'') I haven't actually done any 96 ITR swaps yet but that would be my assumption. If the 96 discs are actually smaller then I would say you should try the the two different types of Accord/Prelude discs.

Ok, it's been confirmed that Prelude NON VTEC rotors don't work as a

replacement rotor, but can somebody confirm from experience if the

Prelude VTEC rotors will bolt up and fit as a replacement rotor??????

KOALA YUMMIES · 05-24-2003, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VX

Ok, it's been confirmed that Prelude NON VTEC rotors don't work as a

replacement rotor, but can somebody confirm from experience if the

Prelude VTEC rotors will bolt up and fit as a replacement rotor??????

NO, the prelude VTEC rotors are way to ****ing big. Side by side they wouldnt clear the caliper, I didnt even bother to try because just looking at it we could tell it wouldnt fit.

BUMP.

VX · 05-25-2003, 12:54 AM

Ok based on what Koala Yummies is saying... Prelude VTEC, and Non-VTEC, and Accord rotors will not work as replacement rotors... Instead of re-drilling GSR rotors... DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHAT AFTER MARKET BRAKES (ROTORS & CALIPERS) WILL WORK???

KOALA YUMMIES · 05-25-2003, 05:21 PM

Member KIWI who races an imported 1996 Honda Integra Type R said that before he switched to Prelude calipers he used a 1/8" shim and extended caliper bracket bolts in order to run Prelude NON-VTEC rotors as replacements. He said to talk to http://www.fastbrakes.com because they know everything. I will be contacting them.

Maybe this will sway everyone from buying this conversion, rare factor goes up

B_CRUZ! · 05-25-2003, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VX

Ok based on what Koala Yummies is saying... Prelude VTEC, and Non-VTEC, and Accord rotors will not work as replacement rotors... Instead of re-drilling GSR rotors... DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHAT AFTER MARKET BRAKES (ROTORS & CALIPERS) WILL WORK???

re-drilling GS-R rotors are the best way to go IMO. The 93 prelude VTEC brakes go on the hub but YES they are a bit bigger. 11" if I am not mistaken.

Do you know what that means? It means a OEM Honda big brake upgrade. Yes kiddos you can bolt on 93+up caliper bracket and caliper in the front Woowooo!!!! You have to shave a little on the caliper to where it mounts.

VX · 05-25-2003, 07:56 PM

Any threads, detailed info, or pics, of fitting the prelude rotors and calipers on the ITR hubs??? (Shims, Shaving Calipers... etc.)

KOALA YUMMIES · 05-25-2003, 09:20 PM

Sure Prelude calipers are nice and all, but for people who just bought the 96 ITR calipers for a hatch, that is more than enough.

Im still going to find out about using a shim and longer caliper bolts to use Prelude NON-VTEC rotors with the 96 ITR caliper.

VX · 05-26-2003, 01:23 AM

Koala, post any info you receive from Fast Brakes when you talk to them regarding their replacement rotors for these hubs.

Quik Chris · 05-26-2003, 02:03 AM

Yeah, I know I've talked to VX and Koala Yummies about this, and I'm having my doubts about the Prelude Rotors. Maybe the 3rd gen ones might work? Or maybe my rotors are just odd-ball as hell and I'll have to redrill eventually. Though remember guys that it's really not a big deal because you can 'turn' the stock rotors at least once at the machine shop, then you have to worry about replacement. Sorry I can't provide more info, but you just don't really know. Good luck to you guys, and I'd like to hear any info on any usdm replacement rotors. Here's my rear 4 x 114.3

05-23-2003, 08:07 AM	#2
Spade Senior Member 2003 Ford Expedition Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hillsboro, Or Posts: 14,299	Re: 96 ITR Brake Tech Thread (KOALA YUMMIES) If I were to do it, I would "repair" with Brembo OEM replacements and slightly aggressive pads. The brakes are large enough as is. __________________ Small Stream Salmon Fishing - Portland, Or

05-23-2003, 08:09 AM	#3
KOALA YUMMIES Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 7,048	Re: 96 ITR Brake Tech Thread (Spade) Maybe you dont understand the problem??? THERE NEVER WAS A TYPE R IN THE US IN 1996, so there are no 4-lug (4x114.3) rotors available from dealerships or companies here...

05-23-2003, 08:12 AM	#4
kommon_sense Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NC Posts: 2,822	have you considered getting a set of USDM ITR rotors and having them redrilled to 4x114.3? __________________ Intentionally left blank...

05-23-2003, 08:15 AM	#5
Spade Senior Member 2003 Ford Expedition Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hillsboro, Or Posts: 14,299	Re: 96 ITR Brake Tech Thread (KOALA YUMMIES) I'm sure if you contact Brembo, they would have them. __________________ Small Stream Salmon Fishing - Portland, Or

05-23-2003, 08:18 AM	#6
KOALA YUMMIES Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 7,048	Re: 96 ITR Brake Tech Thread (Spade) I have considered getting Integra rotors and having a machine shop re-drill them. I will be contacting Brembo for them, but most likey they will be a super rare special order, and will cost a shitlaod, I dont know that they'd be available to the US market. I know there are a bunch of other guys with the swap on here, and eventually they will have to replace their rotors.

05-23-2003, 08:28 AM	#7
Nextelbuddy Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: GA Posts: 3,237	Re: 96 ITR Brake Tech Thread (KOALA YUMMIES) i too thought of this that is what deterred me from doing the 4 lug type r brake conversion and i just went ahead with the gsr front and rear conversion. i knew that the rotors would eventually give out and i wouldnt be able to find replacements as easily or as cheap as the gsr. the BLING factor wasnt worth it to me. i asked this question b4 knowing and have seen a as load of people do the 4 lug type r swap and no one wanted to answer its liek they want to keep it to themselves or they dont know either. __________________ <FONT COLOR="blue">My 1995 M3 Turbo - Current </FONT> <FONT COLOR="tan">My 1994 Acura Integra GSR - SOLD!!!!</FONT> <FONT COLOR="green">My 1995 Honda Civic CX - - SOLD!!!! </FONT> <FONT COLOR="silver">My 1993 3rd Gen FD RX7 TT- SOLD!!!! </FONT>

05-23-2003, 12:07 PM	#8
kommon_sense Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NC Posts: 2,822	Ok... I was under the impression that the Honda accord front brake caliper/rotor set was the same as what was on the ITR. Weren't some of the older model accords 4x114.3? I'm just going on tidbits that I remember from random posts. It may be time to measure the dimensions on one of your rotors and go to an autoparts store and find an oem rotor that fits. Honda tends to reuse things, so there has gotta be another honda/acura that uses the same rotors. __________________ Intentionally left blank...

05-23-2003, 01:13 PM	#9
VX Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 1,637	Re: (kommon_sense) Talk to SpooN Man (Holding a Group Buy on Fast Brakes). I PM'ed about this very topic, here is the conversation: (8:07 PM 5/18/2003) VX: I was wondering if Fast Brakes, makes any rotors that are for the 96 Spec. JDM ITR 4-lug wheels??? They are 4X114.3 (5:52 AM 5/19/2003) SpooN Man: yes they are the same as lude rotors. I'll e-mail brian about it. (12:55 PM 5/19/2003) VX: are these rotors the same diameter, width as Fastbrakes' GSR rotors, just with a different spindle pattern??? (1:22 PM 5/19/2003) SpooN Man: yes, I think that they are the exact same but drilled for your 4 x 114 app. Lude 4 lug rotors are the same size also. Modified by VX at 2:12 PM 5/23/2003 __________________ [b]<FONT COLOR="darkgreen">How-To:</FONT> <FONT COLOR="crimson">Lose 114 Pounds!</FONT>

05-23-2003, 01:22 PM	#10
VX Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 1,637	Re: (VX) Here's a pic of a replacement rotor for the 4x114.3 lug pattern. I'm almost positive that i got this pic from a member here on H-T. I don't remember who the member is or what kind of rotor this is. __________________ [b]<FONT COLOR="darkgreen">How-To:</FONT> <FONT COLOR="crimson">Lose 114 Pounds!</FONT>

05-23-2003, 01:30 PM	#11
jonas Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: City, State Posts: 4,998	PM "KJEG94" here on h-t. he went through hell and back with his 96 spec ITR 4x114.3 lug conversion.. he knows about this part too.

05-23-2003, 07:30 PM	#13
CXHatchback Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Central, FL Posts: 1,593	Re: (VX) I don't understand the point of getting the 4x114.3 conversion, is there something I'm missing? Aren't the brakes teh same as gsrs? What would make you choose to do this, aside from being "different"?

05-23-2003, 09:13 PM	#15
KOALA YUMMIES Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 7,048	Re: (Emerika) OMG!!! NO! The Prelude/Accord ROTORS DO NOT **ING WORK!!! I PERSONALLY TRIED THEM, so the guy at "FASTBRAKES" is LYING HIS ASS OFF. That pic is **ing off by a mile too, thats a huge caliper, thats either prelude VTEC or an accord caliper because that is way bigger than this. Still waiting to hear from Brembo (had my shop contact them and contacted Brembo North America). Looks like Im going to have to re-drill the shit.

05-24-2003, 08:19 AM	#16
SamB16 Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada Posts: 108	Re ok guys, use 92-96 Prelude VTEC Rotors (11'') I haven't actually done any 96 ITR swaps yet but that would be my assumption. If the 96 discs are actually smaller then I would say you should try the the two different types of Accord/Prelude discs. Honda Accords at one point came with a ***ing weird disc, it may be that one. I'll give you both part numbers (Brembo) 094 2927 094 2924 one of those is a two piece ...... hope that helps you guys out The above brake set looks like it uses 92-96 Prelude NON-VTEC Modified by SamB16 at 4:31 PM 5/24/2003*

05-25-2003, 12:54 AM	#19
VX Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 1,637	Re: Re (KOALA yummies) Ok based on what Koala Yummies is saying... Prelude VTEC, and Non-VTEC, and Accord rotors will not work as replacement rotors... Instead of re-drilling GSR rotors... DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHAT AFTER MARKET BRAKES (ROTORS & CALIPERS) WILL WORK??? __________________ [b]<FONT COLOR="darkgreen">How-To:</FONT> <FONT COLOR="crimson">Lose 114 Pounds!</FONT>

05-25-2003, 05:21 PM	#20
KOALA YUMMIES Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 7,048	Re: Re (VX) Member KIWI who races an imported 1996 Honda Integra Type R said that before he switched to Prelude calipers he used a 1/8" shim and extended caliper bracket bolts in order to run Prelude NON-VTEC rotors as replacements. He said to talk to http://www.fastbrakes.com because they know everything. I will be contacting them. Maybe this will sway everyone from buying this conversion, rare factor goes up

05-25-2003, 07:56 PM	#22
VX Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 1,637	Re: Re (B.CRUZ) Any threads, detailed info, or pics, of fitting the prelude rotors and calipers on the ITR hubs??? (Shims, Shaving Calipers... etc.) __________________ [b]<FONT COLOR="darkgreen">How-To:</FONT> <FONT COLOR="crimson">Lose 114 Pounds!</FONT>

05-25-2003, 09:20 PM	#23
KOALA YUMMIES Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 7,048	Re: Re (VX) Sure Prelude calipers are nice and all, but for people who just bought the 96 ITR calipers for a hatch, that is more than enough. Im still going to find out about using a shim and longer caliper bolts to use Prelude NON-VTEC rotors with the 96 ITR caliper.

05-26-2003, 01:23 AM	#24
VX Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 1,637	Re: Re (KOALA yummies) Koala, post any info you receive from Fast Brakes when you talk to them regarding their replacement rotors for these hubs. __________________ [b]<FONT COLOR="darkgreen">How-To:</FONT> <FONT COLOR="crimson">Lose 114 Pounds!</FONT>

05-26-2003, 02:03 AM	#25
Quik Chris Member 2005 Subaru Forester My Garage Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Denver, Colorado Posts: 1,758	Yeah, I know I've talked to VX and Koala Yummies about this, and I'm having my doubts about the Prelude Rotors. Maybe the 3rd gen ones might work? Or maybe my rotors are just odd-ball as hell and I'll have to redrill eventually. Though remember guys that it's really not a big deal because you can 'turn' the stock rotors at least once at the machine shop, then you have to worry about replacement. Sorry I can't provide more info, but you just don't really know. Good luck to you guys, and I'd like to hear any info on any usdm replacement rotors. Here's my rear 4 x 114.3 __________________ Importsports Performance & Dyno '05 Forester XT::'94 EJ1 K20A2 Importsports SFWD Civic: 9.45@159mph

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