Skylite_eK9

This is gonna be my first time building a poor man type R does anybody have and suggestion on what parts I should use? And Would I be able to hit 13s on the track ? This swap is going into my EJ6 . So far I have the following parts -
-b18c1 block.
- itr head
- itr cams
-skunk 2 manifold
- Aem intake
-s2k throttle body
-550cc injectors
- dc header 4-1
-gsr tranny
- 6 puck clutch
- 9 pound fly wheel
- heavy pressure plate
-chipped p73 ecu
Waiting for a tune.
I'm kinda new to the Honda game lol

kyden

i don't see it happening. it won't make any more power than a stock type r, possibly even slower with a gsr transmission.

Skylite_eK9

So should I swap my tranny for a b16 or a type r ?

NotARaCist

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Uh, why exactly are you replacing a B16B with a frankenmotor? For that matter, why are you replacing a CTR transmission with a GSR? Something about everything you're saying doesn't add up.

Skylite_eK9

Wth ? What b16b? I have a y7 single in my hatch rn

Skylite_eK9

I don't have a b16b or a ctr it's just a stock y7!

killafred187

u say ek9 no...?

doctorake

Notice the EK9 on this list? You do not have an EK9, that is where the confusion is.

EG1 - USDM 93-95 del Sol D15B8 (8-valve)
EG1 - USDM 93-95 del Sol S D15B7
EG1 - USDM 93-95 del Sol VTEC-E D15Z1
EG2 - JDM 92-95 Civic hatch/sedan/CR-X B16A
EG2 - USDM 94-95 del Sol VTEC B16A3
EG2 - 96-97 del Sol VTEC/SiR B16A2
EG3 - JDM 92-95 Civic hatch/sedan D13B
EG4 - JDM 92-95 Civic MX hatch/sedan/CR-X D15B
EG5 - JDM 92-95 Civic n/a ? (ZC DOHC)
EG6 - JDM 92-95 Civic SiR hatch/sedan/CR-X B16A
EG6 - USDM 96-97 del Sol S D16Y7
EG6 - USDM 96-97 del Sol Si D16Y8
EG7 - JDM 92-95 Civic EL hatch/sedan D13B
EG8 - JDM 92-95 Civic VTi hatch/sedan/CR-X D15B VTEC
EG8 - USDM 92-95 Civic DX/LX sedan D15B7
EG9 - JDM 92-95 Civic SiR hatch/sedan/del Sol CR-X B16A VTEC
EGN1 - JDM 92 Civic sedan 1.6L ZC
EH1 - JDM 92-95 Civic sedan/4WD (ZC DOHC)
EH2 - USDM 92-95 Civic CX/VX/DX hatch 1.5L
EH3 - USDM 93-95 Civic Si hatch D16Z6
EH6 - USDM 93-95 del Sol Si D16Z6
EH9 - USDM 92-95 Civic EX/ESi sedan D16Z6
EJ1 - JDM 93-95 coupe D16A
EJ2 - USDM 92-95 Civic DX coupe 1.5L
EJ3 - JDM coupe / 4WD 1.6L ZC
EJ4 - JDM CRX del Sol D16A
EJ6 - CANADA 96-00 Civic CX/CX-G/DX/DX-G/EX/LX/SE/Si coupe/hatch/sedan D16Y7
EJ6 - USDM 96-00 Civic CX/DX/DX-V/LX coupe/hatch/sedan D16Y7
EJ7 - USDM 96-00 Civic HX coupe (VTEC-E) D16Y5
EJ8 - CANADA Civic EX coupe D16Y8
EJ8 - USDM Civic EX coupe/sedan D16Y8
EJ9 - EDM/JDM 96-00 D14A2 hatch/sedan
EK1 - Aust 96-00 GLi hatch/sedan auto D16Y4 non-VTEC 88kW/144Nm
EK2 - JDM 95-99 Civic EL hatch/sedan D13B
EK3 - JDM 95-99 Civic ML LEV/VTi/Ri hatch/sedan D15B VTEC
EK3 - 96-98 Integra SJ/EXi D15B
EK4 - JDM 95-99 Civic hatch/sedan B16A
EK5 - JDM 95-99 Civic 4WD/LEV RTi sedan D16A
EK6 - 95-99 Civic hatch
EK7 - 96-00 Civic hatch LSi 1.5L VTEC
EK8 - JDM 95-99 Civic 4WD/LEV sedan D16A
EK9 - JDM 97-00 Civic Type-R hatch B16B

NotARaCist

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Then you don't have an EK9, you have an EJ6. This, ladies and gentlemen, is why proper chassis codes are important!

Skylite_eK9

Okay we'll I guess I have A ejj6

Skylite_eK9

So is my car gonna run koo or not

BryanM.

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Unless you're buying hot stuff off the street, that parts list is probably nearly as much money as a B18C R swap. Plus no tune and very little assembly.

NotARaCist

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AEM intakes are a waste of money unless you need the CARB stamp.

550cc/min injectors are WAY overkill for your motor.

A 6 puck clutch is also COMPLETE overkill. Get a full-faced, organic, non-cushioned, sprung hub clutch.

The P73 ECU is an OBD2 ECU. You can't chip or tune it. You will need a P72, P28, or other VTEC OBD1 ECU with a stepper harness.

Skylite_eK9

All of these parts came with the motor just not put in yet

BryanM.

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Sell all those parts and get a low mile Honda assembled motor.

B serious

iTrader: (1)

13's is what you're after? Why would a stock B18C GSR swap with bolt ons and a B16/ITR trans NOT work to put your hatch in the 13's?

A stock ITR swap puts you in the 13's. Or....roughly 165-170whp with the same torque and gearing as an ITR swap puts you in the 13's.

Lol...EK9.....

It's cool though. He did say he was new to Hondas. NBD.

B serious

iTrader: (1)

It's probably like a 2300 or 2400 LB car. Doesn't take much to make it quick. An almost stock GSR swap wifh short gearing will go a long way. Dump those 550cc injectors and that 6 puck clutch.

Normal clutch. Stock injectors. Good tune. The ITR head will make you lose maybe .5 parts of your CR. So your new CR would be 9.5:1. So...maybe get a head gasket.

P-M-B,93EXsedan

As far as just a block goes, whats the compression difference on a GSR and the non-vtec blocks?

P-M-B,93EXsedan

I wanna assemble an engine out of spare parts too. I was thinking start with a b16 vtec. Then buying a b18 block and having it built with higher compression pistons (forged) plus forged rods and maybe a crank if i need that. and the best cost/benefit can-take-a-beating bearings.

then when i feel like doing another engine swap, get headwork done, like: can-take-a-beating valves/springs, some badass cams, P&P, whatever else fits the whole cost-benefit scheme. finally Put the rebuilt b16 head on the rebuilt b18 block and bolt it in and bring it to a good tuner

NotARaCist

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The block doesn't decide compression, the rotating assembly does. If you really want stock compression numbers...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_D_enginehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_B_engine

B serious

iTrader: (1)

13 sec quarter miles turn into wanting to build a bad *** motor out of spare parts?

13 sec quarters can be run with stock "bad ***" motors that can take a beating.

Or are we beyond running 13 sec quarters now?

P-M-B,93EXsedan

I meant factory-assembled-short-block. As in, discounting the effect the head has on compression. Basically, how much compression would I lose by using a "fake type r head" on a non-vtec engine block rather than the GSR shortblock

P-M-B,93EXsedan

I do not approve of measuring potential engines in 1/4 or 1/8 times. I do not want to do 20+ 'laps' or 'drags' to race for 5 minutes.

I basically want to do the same thing as OP except I'd rather use a cheap good condition LS block than a beat & more expensive C1/5 block. Plus I'm making my own type-r head rather than buying, again, a beat type-r head. I'm buying parts locally, hence the "spare parts" comment. All I want to know "is my LS/vtec gonna suck until I raise the compression on the short block?"

NotARaCist

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http://www.zealautowerks.com/bseries.html

Have fun.

P-M-B,93EXsedan

very interesting. Thanks dude.

Good luck with your approach to making a type-r replica engine OP