honda_12V

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Hello,

Some of your might know I have had a tough time with the AEM ems i had in the past and had a few threads running complaining about the hick ups I had. I still believe that AEM is a good ems, but because I dont have a tuner local I could not make it work.

SO, long story short I had a good guy who wanted the AEM and its now sold.

Now Ladies and Gentleman, I WONT GET THIS WRONG THE SECOND TIME.

Now the choice stands - S300 or Neptune. I read a tiny bit and the neptune looks nice as all i read is praise about customer service and the lcd works for me for sure.

But the factors local to me, are almost unique - so i REQUEST you all to consider the factors below before you help me choose.

Factors to consider:

1. NO LOCAL tuner for neptune or Hondata. But all my friends use HONDATA so we have some experience on how that works.

2. I want the more reliable option, wasted money once dont want that to happen again.

3. My car refused to start on the aem box - and now I want a ecu that makes my engine start like a stock ecu or all this is a failed endeavor.

4. My power goals are 350-450 not something super. Just want to have a reliable car that can keep me happy. Why this is a factory, just cause the last year has made me realise how much a small thing can trouble if you dont get it right.

So guys / guru's / sir's and gentle people... HELP ME

Regards

HRTuning

I'm biased so I'll keep from being too suggestive. Download a copy of both softwares and see if you feel comfortable maneuvering around them. It will come down to your personal preference since both are pretty similar and easy to work with.

Both will run the vehicle just fine if there aren't any wiring/mechanical issues.

Support is definitely a high priority over here. We take care of our people.

The LCDs will actually work with either system, so don't let that be a major factor in your decision. With NepTune you can tune while the LCD is connected and showing data. On S300 you need to unplug the display to connect with the laptop because it only has one port. That's only really a factor if you're replacing your cluster with the LCD.

Good luck with your project!

honda_12V

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HRTuning,

I took your advice and spend a few hours exploring the two softwares.

This is what i found:
Neptune:
- does not list my transmission U2Q7 am sure there is a way to manually enter the ratios though i dint see it.
- I could not access any calibrations from you database.
- The software is very close to what AEM offer, though much simpler and user friendly.
- I liked the cool non stress interface open what you want and explore
- Enjoyed the little icons make things easy to remember.
- Great to work with atleast offline

Hondata
- In your face interface, really opens up information heavy
- Took some time to understand where everything was using it after the neptune
- Also dint list U2Q7 but i could edit almost instantly
- Does not have 3 map functionality like the neptune or does it?
- I dint see a map for turbo H22 just got supercharge dont know how much difference.

My conclusions:
Neptune - works great feels really nice - the concept of being unique (in my country) / also underdog is very interesting. Dont know how dependable the hardware is...

Hondata - definitely a good system, but sad to see that no rep or reseller or tuner of the company is interested in this discussion that i have put up being a prospect client.

Still confused though.

Any other opinions?

HRTuning

Transmission editor is in the tools menu. You'll be able to access any transmissions added to this in the selection menu the next time you open a tune.

If you're online you should be able to see and open the calibrations that have been posted on the website. You can also access them manually from the website at the Calibration Repository link on the right.

Give them some credit, it's the weekend.

98vtec

I will say this. When you purchase neptune, you are going to get a lot more than just Hrtuning support.
You can email or talk to ANY of the neptune dealers and they will help you.

also, if your friends know s300, then neptune will be a breeze. Honestly, Neptune is very organized with all the parameter listed in a big menu and can do everything hondata can do minus the CPR unit (which I do believe is somewhere in the works....just doesnt have much priority)

What it comes down to is what you feel most comfortable with. Both of them will get the job done in an equal fashion. Either way i think you will like both systems but when you have a question or a problem, which one will get figured out faster? That is when it counts and I think you know the answer.

met

I have has an s300 for a good number of years I had a problem with the code not working correctly the ecu would randomly reset. I kept getting "everyone else's work there must be something wrong with your wiring ect." they ended up getting it just felt like there was no support. From everything I have read I would try Neptune my self, support is key with this stuff so many variables. 90% of the time things go smoothly but when they don't.

yungmulacrx

Ive had s300 in my car for 2 yrs and have not ad any issues with it.. Although i am going to go with neptune for my next project because of the customer support i see from hrtuning..

honda_12V

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Ohh... looks like strong support the Neptune.

HRTuning - i checked the transmission editor a nice and easy way - thanks.

I noticed hondata now provides a traction control uni... Is neptune going to develop something similar soon?

Regards

98vtec

IIRC its already setup to do so.

HRTuning

There are some units being built and an option to adjust ignition based on a voltage input already exists in the software.

Discosteak

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S300 for nothing else but lean protection.
Neptune's Customer service is leaps and bounds above Hondata. But IMO the hardware/software from Hondata is better.
Although Im on FAST now, I wouldn't hesitate to switch from Hondata to Neptune if the hardware/software caught up.

honda_12V

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Good point, well made.

Though i read about the function and i realize that - IMO - most people running either hondata or neptune have the AFR gauge in there face anyway (i constantly look at it)

So if ever something goes wrong and the mix does lean out it would be almost in the drivers face.

Questions is the one function worth the extra price. Though your point of quality is a different aspect.

Thank you sir.

Any other good points?

Discosteak

iTrader: (1)

All things considered the prices are pretty similar. If you price them both @ xenocron.com the prices end up being about the same when your done. To me its definitely worth the couple extra dollars that may potentially keep you from melting the motor if something goes wrong. There is a reason 95% of the fastest drag race guys are using hondata, and people like Jeff Evans prefer it over Neptune. Like I said if Neptunes software and hardware were on par with Hondata I wouldnt hesitate to make the switch. But they arent.

honda_12V

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So that is one point settled... Hondata has lean protection neptune does not... debatable how important it is...

Any other points to be made?

98vtec

Id like to hear you explain yourself to make such a bold statement about the hardware/software

Moates builds the hardware.

Discosteak

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I never said the Neptune hardware/software was bad. And TBH if Neptune had lean protection I would have bought it over my old Hondata. But it doesnt have lean protection which IMO gives Hondata software a heads up over Neptune.

Saying the hardware isn't as good was the wrong way to put it. You get more options with Hondata if you want them. Unless I'm mistaken You cant use COP with neptune, and Hondata offers traction control.

I actually have a very poor taste in my mouth from Hondata. They screwed me out of my License when i bought my s200 YEARS ago. So I had to buy the license twice. I only bought my s300 because it was recommended by my tuner. I may not like them as a company but the s300 is great. That doesn't change my opinion though, If Neptune RTP could match the features of Hondata s300 I would buy the Neptune in a heartbeat.

Hondata could take a few lessons from HRtuning about customer service.

98vtec

Another IIRC, Neptune had lean protection at one time. It was a feature I loved about ectune but the "nature" of ectune drove me away even when I loved the options it had. The options were not enough to keep me happy so I went to Neptune and have never turned back.

honda_12V

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Ok guys..

I think my mind is made up.. Going to follow the might lude man (98vtec)

Neptune here i come.

Thanks for the time guys.

Regards

Discosteak

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you wont be disapointed

honda_12V

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Thanks sir, and thanks for your input.

Am actually thinking of taking it with the Large dash kit, cause of the 100$ savings from the Hondata.

Now have to find a dealer who can work with my little money

Any suggestions?

Regards

pgpbubble

FYI...Jeff Evans USED to tune neptune RTP, and neptune chip software.

HondaMotive

Ive used every type of software for honda and I stuck with Neptune. Interface is very nice clean organized tons and tons of features and everything is REAL TIME. I live tune with this at the track all the time making 120MPH+ passes not a problem. I use the Gauge light functions and stuff on the laptop opposed to installing all these lights in my dash and it works really well. There RTP is also bluetooh if you're like my friends and need to have everything tucked away and tidy. The only reason I ever install s300s are for Coil On Plug retrofits. Just my 2cents

swordofdoom

$400 vs $500 hmmmmm...

VegasInvasion

holy crap, welcome back from the dead old thread.

yungmulacrx

Yep back from the dead.. I know i voted neptune but now that i have used neptune i would definitely stick with the hondata route..