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Old 07-10-2012, 09:00 AM   #1
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http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2012...r-and-the-cia/

Pretty interesting article. I am sure that it is pulling at strings, much like a tampon thief, but it is something to ponder.

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n his autobiography, Dreams From My Fathers, Barack Obama writes of taking a job at some point after graduating from Columbia University in 1983. He describes his employer as “a consulting house to multinational corporations” in New York City, and his functions as a “research assistant” and “financial writer”.

Oddly, Obama doesn’t mention the name of his employer. However, a New York Times story of October 30, 2007 identifies the company as Business International Corporation. Equally odd is that the Times did not remind its readers that the newspaper itself had disclosed in 1977 that Business International had provided cover for four CIA employees in various countries between 1955 and 1960.10

The British journal, Lobster — which, despite its incongruous name, is a venerable international publication on intelligence matters — has reported that Business International was active in the 1980s promoting the candidacy of Washington-favored candidates in Australia and Fiji.11 In 1987, the CIA overthrew the Fiji government after but one month in office because of its policy of maintaining the island as a nuclear-free zone, meaning that American nuclear-powered or nuclear-weapons-carrying ships could not make port calls.12 After the Fiji coup, the candidate supported by Business International, who was much more amenable to Washington’s nuclear desires, was reinstated to power — R.S.K. Mara was Prime Minister or President of Fiji from 1970 to 2000, except for the one-month break in 1987.

In his book, not only doesn’t Obama mention his employer’s name; he fails to say exactly when he worked there, or why he left the job. There may well be no significance to these omissions, but inasmuch as Business International has a long association with the world of intelligence, covert actions, and attempts to penetrate the radical left — including Students for a Democratic Society (SDS)13 — it’s reasonable to wonder if the inscrutable Mr. Obama is concealing something about his own association with this world.

Adding to the wonder is the fact that his mother, Ann Dunham, had been associated during the 1970s and 80s — as employee, consultant, grantee, or student — with at least five organizations with intimate CIA connections during the Cold War: The Ford Foundation, Agency for International Development (AID), the Asia Foundation, Development Alternatives, Inc., and the East-West Center of Hawaii.14 Much of this time she worked as an anthropologist in Indonesia and Hawaii, being in good position to gather intelligence about local communities.

As one example of the CIA connections of these organizations, consider the disclosure by John Gilligan, Director of AID during the Carter administration (1977-81). “At one time, many AID field offices were infiltrated from top to bottom with CIA people. The idea was to plant operatives in every kind of activity we had overseas, government, volunteer, religious, every kind.”15 And Development Alternatives, Inc. is the organization for whom Alan Gross was working when arrested in Cuba and charged with being part of the ongoing American operation to destabilize the Cuban government.
Some of the comments under the article are interesting, as well. Carry on sheeple, carry on.
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Wouldn't be surprised at all if this were true.
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Not really. The CIA pretty much runs itself and tell the White House what to say they are telling the CIA to do.
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Couple of flaws...it would be very difficult to get security clearance of CIA levels after having been previously associated with groups such as SDS.

Secondly, if Obama truly did smoke pot and snort cocaine while in college, he certainly would not have been admitted to the CIA right out of college...unless he is a better liar than we think.
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Not really. The CIA pretty much runs itself and tell the White House what to say they are telling the CIA to do.
Eh...not really. He who controls the budget calls the shots. The NSC by virtue of it's office directs policy which directs requirements which directs operations.

Therein lies the age old question: Does policy direct intelligence or intelligence direct policy. It's a very very thin line.
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Couple of flaws...it would be very difficult to get security clearance of CIA levels after having been previously associated with groups such as SDS.

Secondly, if Obama truly did smoke pot and snort cocaine while in college, he certainly would not have been admitted to the CIA right out of college...unless he is a better liar than we think.
I bet the CIA will take people that have done drugs before
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Couple of flaws...it would be very difficult to get security clearance of CIA levels after having been previously associated with groups such as SDS.

Secondly, if Obama truly did smoke pot and snort cocaine while in college, he certainly would not have been admitted to the CIA right out of college...unless he is a better liar than we think.
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I bet the CIA will take people that have done drugs before
Pretty sure they don't. They analyze every aspect of your life, including if you've ever participated in, or witnessed drug trafficking take place. So that time you went with your buddy to pick up that nickelbag of Arizona mids...there goes your CIA career.

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Pretty sure they don't.
I will bet my life that they do.
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I would imagine that the CIA is a little more realistic and understands that drugs are out there and that if they want some high quality employees they're going to be getting people that have done drugs. Shit, for people working in the field they might prefer people that have done drugs
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I will bet my life that they do.
I'll take your word for it.

I'm not talking about the intern who works the front desk of the CIA headquarters...anyone can do that. I'm talking about the people who actually become CIA agents...the ones with actual security clearances.

I have relatives who have been in the DOD for 30+ years with absolutely no criminal records who cannot even get CIA clearances for the projects they're working on.
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Pretty sure they don't. They analyze every aspect of your life, including if you've ever participated in, or witnessed drug trafficking take place. So that time you went with your buddy to pick up that nickelbag of Arizona mids...there goes your CIA career.



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As was stated before, you have much learning to do, many levels to the CIA who recruit from everywhere, lots of people omit things to employers, that includes people joining the military.

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I would imagine that the CIA is a little more realistic and understands that drugs are out there and that if they want some high quality employees they're going to be getting people that have done drugs. Shit, for people working in the field they might prefer people that have done drugs
Here's the FBI policy. I can't see the CIA being much different.

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The FBI is firmly committed to a drug-free society and work place. Therefore, the unlawful use of drugs by FBI employees is not tolerated. Furthermore, applicants for employment with the FBI who currently use illegal drugs will be found unsuitable for employment. The FBI does not condone any prior unlawful drug use by applicants. We realize, however, some otherwise qualified applicants may have used drugs at some point in their pasts. The following policy sets forth the criteria for determining whether any prior drug use makes an applicant unsuitable for employment, balancing the needs of the FBI to maintain a drug-free workplace and the public integrity necessary to accomplish the FBI’s intelligence and law enforcement missions. Applicants who do not meet the listed criteria should not apply for any FBI position.
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You can easily determine whether you meet the FBI's illegal drug policy by answering the following questions:

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  4. Have you ever used any prescription drug or used a legally obtainable substance in a manner for which it was not intended within three years (36 months) preceding the date of the preliminary application for employment?
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lol i was able to get a secret security clearance without even trying and previous drug use, although i never told them that. i could've gotten a top secret clearance but i didnt need or want one.
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As was stated before, you have much learning to do, many levels to the CIA who recruit from everywhere, lots of people omit things to employers, that includes people joining the military.

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deny deny deny if thats what gets you through.

the recruiters told my buddy to omit just about everything haha.

i'm sure they'll tell me the same thing.
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deny deny deny if thats what gets you through.

the recruiters told my buddy to omit just about everything haha.

i'm sure they'll tell me the same thing.
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lol i was able to get a secret security clearance without even trying and previous drug use, although i never told them that. i could've gotten a top secret clearance but i didnt need or want one.
As long as its not habitual I'm pretty sure they don't care, that's why the Army does the big personality/character exam upon initial entry.

<--- has secret too, FO's ftw.
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Here's the FBI policy. I can't see the CIA being much different.
I was just going to post that what you're saying sounds more like the FBI than the CIA.

CIA is a different animal entirely...FBI is very stiff and buttoned-up.
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As long as its not habitual I'm pretty sure they don't care, that's why the Army does the big personality/character exam upon initial entry.

<--- has secret too, FO's ftw.
is everyday for 2 years straight habitual?

when my recruiter asked me how often i smoked i just gave him a blank stare, after about a minute of not saying anything he just put down "experimental use" and said not to say anything to the people at MEPS about it.
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The CIA isnt stupid enough to assume that uptight and squeaky clean people will be able to go deep undercover in the grimy underworlds that they track. Sometimes you need people who are familiar with that lifestyle in order to be able to gain the trust of the people theyre spying on. We arent talking about small time drug dealers that are stupid enough to get busted by a cop with a fake mustache and stick on tattoo's, if an organization is large enough to gain the CIA's attention then theyre probably smart enough to pick out those types of people lol

Id be willing to bet that the CIA employees a vast diversity of people for this very reason. That kind of diversity is needed when you have a need to send personel to any corner of the world who are able to blend in perfectly.
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Keep in mind this was also 1980. Having tried pot doesn't mean ****, even on a clearance. Also yes, those that work the desk still probably all have at minimum a CIA performed TS clearance.

Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he had worked for the CIA I don't see it really making a difference though.
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is everyday for 2 years straight habitual?

when my recruiter asked me how often i smoked i just gave him a blank stare, after about a minute of not saying anything he just put down "experimental use" and said not to say anything to the people at MEPS about it.
When I was in high school my recruiter gave me niacin to clean out my system so that I could go to MEPS.
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When I was in high school my recruiter gave me niacin to clean out my system so that I could go to MEPS.
by the time i left for MEPS i was already 3 months clean so no ****s were given
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