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Old 01-25-2012, 06:07 PM   #1
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Default What are the chance of U.S going to war with IRAN/CHINA/RUSSIA?

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I think the chances of that are far less likely than the chances of this thread getting moved to the politics forum.
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Default Re: What are the chance of U.S going to war with IRAN/CHINA/RUSSIA?

Russia: No
China: Hell no!
Iran: At most a bunch of covert **** like we have seen where perhaps we take out some scientists. Iran talks a lot of talk, but they would be really crippled if the Eurozone actually stopped importing their oil and real sanctions were put in place. They are like a North Korea with a bit more weight, but they still make a lot of noise.
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a war war? slim to none...
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There is virtually no chance in the world that we will see any kind of active engagements between the military of the United States and the militaries of China and Russia. We are even trying very hard to back up in the Pacific as China expands its presence.

To be honest...although there are many, many things we disagree about, I see China as a possible great ally of the United States in the years ahead.

However...I'll openly estimate that there is about a 33% chance we will see some kind of engagement with Iran. It's up to them. We have deliberately used language in memos referring to "strategic interests" and Iran's possible threat to them. When the USA and UK draw lines with words like that, they mean business.

If Iran strikes against a Royal Navy or US Navy ship in the Straits, or if they attempt to sink a ship in the middle of the Straits, then immediate action will be taken to clear the path for the egress of tankers from Kuwait, Iraq, Qatar, Oman and the Trucial States of the Gulf Alliance, even if it means the active engagement of allied forces with the Iranian military.

As we get closer to Iran's development of a nuclear weapon, the chances of an engagement increase.

We are probably not going to allow Iran to develop a nuclear weapon, plain and simple.
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China will not bother as they will then take a huge economic blow. Russia can't afford it and I doubt they will come to Iran's aid if **** hits the fan.

Direct engagement w/ Iran? Possible, but unlikely. Sure they may be developing a nuclear weapon, but with the age of their military assets, it would be a repeat of the Gulf War.
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China, not going to happen. The logistics alone make it nearly impossible.

Russia, why would we? The only issue that Russia is against us on are the strikes in Pakistan. The Iran issue they don't care about enough to worry.

Iran, it's going to happen when the Western powers deem it political viable to con the public into supporting it.
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China? For real?
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Iran, it's going to happen when the Western powers deem it political viable to con the public into supporting it.
That we can agree on.


Russia and China will never happen because the US doesn't engage in war with anything other than third-world dirt farmers that can barely shoot back... and we even get our **** pushed in doing that.

The public will NEVER support a war with any country that can actually defend itself, let alone Russia or China, because those wars would result in a real body count. Additionally, a war with China would shoot the prices of consumer products through the roof. No more iPhones. The wars won't happen because the public will never get behind them. The public starts to care when things directly affect them.
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Russia, why would we? The only issue that Russia is against us on are the strikes in Pakistan. The Iran issue they don't care about enough to worry.
Not true. They were displeased with what happened in Libya and they have done something about their displeasure in Syria.
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Not true. They were displeased with what happened in Libya and they have done something about their displeasure in Syria.
In a way, Russia seems even more afraid of Islamists than the US and UK are afraid.

Chechnya was a horrible thing for them, and so was Afghanistan.
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Don't know about Iran but China and Russia are both definitely 0.
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This morning sees high level contact between the Iranian government, the Council of Europe and Downing Street.

Iran appears to believe that it cannot close the Straits without provoking a conflict it cannot win, and it appears to believe that the EU embargo will affect its society irreparably.

Whether the Iranian "government" can control the Revolutionary Guard might be questionable, however.
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China, not going to happen. The logistics alone make it nearly impossible.

Russia, why would we? The only issue that Russia is against us on are the strikes in Pakistan. The Iran issue they don't care about enough to worry.

Iran, it's going to happen when the Western powers deem it political viable to con the public into supporting it.
They've already started conning the public about Iran..The US and Britain want control of the oil and a renewed presence as imperial powers.
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They've already started conning the public about Iran..The US and Britain want control of the oil and a renewed presence as imperial powers.
The Gulf Alliance have already volunteered to increase production to make up for the embargo, regardless of OPEC pressure. The gamble is that Iran will buckle when it sees this kind of determination, and it has certainly caused them to go back to the EU and talk about what the UN wants to see in regards to their nuclear programmes.

The UK and US are not interested in any kind of imperial presence. If anybody ever has to occupy any part of Iran, it will be an issue forced on them by Iran's stubbornness and radical politics.

IMHO, of course.

The US and UK don't even use Iranian oil. The UK is mostly supplied from Brent high quality stuff that doesn't need much refining, and what it has to import comes from the Gulf Alliance. If needs increase, then there is Libya and Algeria, from whom the UK take nothing at the moment, although the EU take quite a bit.
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