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Old 11-15-2011, 08:45 PM   #1
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looking to drop a honda motor in my sandrail. i know the b series rotate backwards for a vw, what do i need to make it work with the vw tranny or should i just put a s2000 motor in. what do you guys think
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Old 11-15-2011, 08:53 PM   #2
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If an LSx fits, why not? Cheap hp and lots of it.

Lightly blown S2K (or k20) on E85 sounds nice.
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use a honda transmission? Odds are you just need custom axles then. Even then if they are for the right track width just throw honda hubs to match on it with the original shafts

By the time you make adaption plates, custom clutch plate (or at least buy a new one that fits the vw spline and is the right diameter for the honda flywheel) then work out your throwout arm and bearing carrier it's easier to just do the axles. Get the end resplined or just get them made, whatever works
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Counterclockwise engines aren't going to work.
You need to find out what your transmission can support before you go jumping into this highly unlikely scenario because those VWs did not put down a lot of power from the factory and their transmissions might not be able to support the power you're looking to get out of them.

Also, google: Porsche G50
Also... why do you need a longitudal transmission anyhow? What's wrong with stock?


Lastly... if you really really really want a longitudal mounted Honda counterclockwise engine, then it's cheaper to get a corvair transmission because the corvair engine also spun counterclockwise. I actually dropped a Honda Accord engine into the back of a corvair a few months ago and it went in just fine.
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Counterclockwise engines aren't going to work.
Counterclockwise engine will work. Just need to run it upside down. My uncle did that on his and its never broken down.
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there is a ton of honda powered sandrails and they are mostly using factory trans

I know the acura V6 is VERY popular for this
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Yes, the Honda V-6 is very popular.
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A honda motor will fit without having to refab it but if I go with a sbc ill have to refab it to fit I already have a built type 1 trans and axles jus need a motor
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Counterclockwise engine will work. Just need to run it upside down. My uncle did that on his and its never broken down.

You need to figure out the proper way to say it. Upside down is not the correct jargon to use but everyone always says it that way

I'll explain why saying upside down makes you sound like a retard.

Imagine a wheel spinning clockwise.
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Okay, I'm going to turn this image upside down. Brace yourself because this one's going to be a doozy...
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POW MUTHUFUKKA! What direction is the wheel spinning now?


Wait a second.... is it just me or is it spinning in the same direction?
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It just looks like the same direction cause its going really fast.

It also makes it way easier to do Oil changes since the drain plug will be facing up towards you.
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It started out as me trolling you, but now you're trying to troll me because you really have no clue how transmission flipping works.

Guess I'll explain...


The VW engine sits behind the transmission, so the transmission's bell housing is facing rearwards. Some people require a mid engine setup and need the engine in front of the transmission. Simply turning the transmission around isn't going to work because the wheels will then spin backwards, so they turn the transmission upside down and the wheels will subsequently turn forwards since the axles are coming directly out of the side of the transmission.

That's one way to get a VW transmission to have the bell housing facing forward. The other way is more in depth. The VW's ring gear only has teeth on one side, so if you flip it over, the teeth will be on the opposing side of the pinion and the transmission will then spin backwards, wel sort of. The wheels will be spinning counterclockwise while the input shaft and all the gears are still spinning in the same direction they always were. The only benefit to flipping the ring gear is that you can have a forward facing bell housing without having your transmission upside down.
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It started out as me trolling you, but now you're trying to troll me because you really have no clue how transmission flipping works.

Guess I'll explain...


The VW engine sits behind the transmission, so the transmission's bell housing is facing rearwards. Some people require a mid engine setup and need the engine in front of the transmission. Simply turning the transmission around isn't going to work because the wheels will then spin backwards, so they turn the transmission upside down and the wheels will subsequently turn forwards since the axles are coming directly out of the side of the transmission.

That's one way to get a VW transmission to have the bell housing facing forward. The other way is more in depth. The VW's ring gear only has teeth on one side, so if you flip it over, the teeth will be on the opposing side of the pinion and the transmission will then spin backwards, wel sort of. The wheels will be spinning counterclockwise while the input shaft and all the gears are still spinning in the same direction they always were. The only benefit to flipping the ring gear is that you can have a forward facing bell housing without having your transmission upside down.
how hard is it to flip the ring gear
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Flipping the ring gear is easy, but I don't think you understand.

You flip the ring gear and you still need a clockwise turning engine to run it. The wheels will spin counterclockwise, but the input shaft still needs to spin clockwise.

If you want to run an F20, K-Series, J-Series, or other clockwise turning Honda engine, you can do a ring gear flip and run the VW transmission behind the engine, but it will not work with a counterclockwise spinning engine.


All these stories you hear that start off with my uncle, my brother, my friend, my cousin, my neighbor, my mechanic, my dad's friend, etc. and end with "is running a Honda engine with an upside down VW transmission... are all bullshit, every single one of those motherfukkers is a god damned liar. A lot of these people also have stories about how their brother in law's uncle's friend's neighbor's grandson put a Porsche 911 engine in the back of a beetle because that seems to be a popular fabricated story to throw out there as well.
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Just do it and install the steering wheel and seats facing backwards. Problem solved.
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looking to drop a honda motor in my sandrail. i know the b series rotate backwards for a vw, what do i need to make it work with the vw tranny or should i just put a s2000 motor in. what do you guys think
you can build another crank shaft in your garage

or you could rip the mainshaft out of the VW trans, shove a honda b series one in there and then do w/e it was in your nonsensical mind to mount the that bell housing/transaxle on the b, probably a back yard redneck mounting plate
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Engine needs to run clockwise, its been done. In fact if I recall there is a big class of buggies that run this setup in the Netherlands. Clockwise b16 to a VW T2/T3 gearbox


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Flipping the ring gear is easy, but I don't think you understand.

You flip the ring gear and you still need a clockwise turning engine to run it. The wheels will spin counterclockwise, but the input shaft still needs to spin clockwise.

If you want to run an F20, K-Series, J-Series, or other clockwise turning Honda engine, you can do a ring gear flip and run the VW transmission behind the engine, but it will not work with a counterclockwise spinning engine.


All these stories you hear that start off with my uncle, my brother, my friend, my cousin, my neighbor, my mechanic, my dad's friend, etc. and end with "is running a Honda engine with an upside down VW transmission... are all bullshit, every single one of those motherfukkers is a god damned liar. A lot of these people also have stories about how their brother in law's uncle's friend's neighbor's grandson put a Porsche 911 engine in the back of a beetle because that seems to be a popular fabricated story to throw out there as well.
Ok thanks for the help
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What bout all the VW guys saying Honda is crap
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How much do you want to spend?

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I would go with a Twin Turbo LS7 with a mendeola or albins lol
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[quote=beeseries;46365007]How much do you want to spend?

http://kennedyenginc.com/default.aspx

I would go with a Twin Turbo LS7 with a mendeola or albins lol[/QUOTE

i don mind spending money but a ls7 and mendeola is a little to much. would like to keep it within 2-3k
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you still need a clockwise turning engine to run it. The wheels will spin counterclockwise\
Make the front the back and the back the front and you're all set Problem solved.
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There's two VW trans to use....
In a Chumpcar here...
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VW Beetle Trans....
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Saab 900's use the same style trans as the beetle for their front wheel drive...
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The trans is in front of the engine, with the front of the engine at the firewall.

As for gears, you'd have to get custom gears, If you have a counter clockwise engine to spin the trans opposite of the direction it's supposed to (take the "engine behind" trans, and put it behind the engine) then you have four (or more) reverse gears, and one slow forward gear. But you would be putting pressure on the wrong side of gears and wearing them out faster.

My best bet would be use the Beetle trans (I saw many at the local Pull-N-Save last time I was there) and have the Honda Engine (same rotation as the 1600 Boxer engine) behind the trans for weight distribution.
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i already have a vw type 1 trans just need a motor for it
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i already have a vw type 1 trans just need a motor for it

I'm not a VW guy, so I don't know what a "Type 1 trans" is I'm assuming that's the one in the Beetle?


If so and you have the engine behind (furthest to the rear) the trans, and it rotates the same direction as the original VW engine, then I doubt you will have problems...
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