built an all-motor set-up to only be slower then a stock motor?
10-24-2011, 02:47 PM
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built an all-motor set-up to only be slower then a stock motor?
first off the motor is:
b18c
skunk2 valvetrain
skunk2 pro2 camshafts
edlebrock victor x manifold with 68mm tb
3inch cold air
880cc injectors
255lph walbro fuel pump
jdm itr headers
gsr rods w/pct pistons
running e85
it's in a 94 integra and went to the dyno and barely broke 190whp
this is not my car or set-up (it's a friend's car) but i was thinking it should break 200 easily, because i have know a few people with less mods in a b18c5 making over 190 easily. my question to you is...what's wrong with the set-up i have listed. im thinking he's putting parts that are overkill or something...any help would be greatly appreciated to lead in the right direction to making some power, car does run perfect with no hiccups
b18c
skunk2 valvetrain
skunk2 pro2 camshafts
edlebrock victor x manifold with 68mm tb
3inch cold air
880cc injectors
255lph walbro fuel pump
jdm itr headers
gsr rods w/pct pistons
running e85
it's in a 94 integra and went to the dyno and barely broke 190whp
this is not my car or set-up (it's a friend's car) but i was thinking it should break 200 easily, because i have know a few people with less mods in a b18c5 making over 190 easily. my question to you is...what's wrong with the set-up i have listed. im thinking he's putting parts that are overkill or something...any help would be greatly appreciated to lead in the right direction to making some power, car does run perfect with no hiccups
10-24-2011, 02:56 PM
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Re: built an all-motor set-up to only be slower then a stock motor?
I guess you did not get it all correct. You did set the cams to 99/105 correct? You did figure a Victor X,68mm throttle body works from 6500 up? Proper compression around 12.5-1
10-24-2011, 03:17 PM
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Re: built an all-motor set-up to only be slower then a stock motor?
get a performer x...and degree your cams...mickeyspec made 237whp on a similar setup...and a better header...
10-24-2011, 03:41 PM
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Re: built an all-motor set-up to only be slower then a stock motor?
Vic X is junk on anything below a WELL built 2.0L or Turbo motor. Get the Performer X and thanks us later. Get a better header, I reccomend the Skunk2 Alpha or if you have cash an smsp.
Also, its DYNO NUMBER! Don't get so caught up on numbers....run it down the track. Trap speeds never lie. Who is to say those R motors "that made more power on less mods" would make more power than this motor on the same dyno? Dyno's are tuning tools not God.
Also, its DYNO NUMBER! Don't get so caught up on numbers....run it down the track. Trap speeds never lie. Who is to say those R motors "that made more power on less mods" would make more power than this motor on the same dyno? Dyno's are tuning tools not God.
10-24-2011, 03:45 PM
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Re: built an all-motor set-up to only be slower then a stock motor?
yeah forgot to mention that the camshafts arent degreed and thanks for the header suggestion
well, i wasnt concern about the dyno numbers, i was just stating out that even with the mods it didnt put out any more then a stock R, but i'll let my friend know and hope it goes better, thanks for the quick responses
well, i wasnt concern about the dyno numbers, i was just stating out that even with the mods it didnt put out any more then a stock R, but i'll let my friend know and hope it goes better, thanks for the quick responses
10-24-2011, 03:53 PM
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Re: built an all-motor set-up to only be slower then a stock motor?
What program are you using to tune and is your tuner knowledgeable with tuning e85? Did you degree your cams?
10-24-2011, 03:53 PM
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FYI, you will NEVER make good power on aftermarket cams by just installing them. It takes hours of tuning/degreeing to make especially the Pro series cam perform how they are supposed to.
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10-24-2011, 06:29 PM
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Re: built an all-motor set-up to only be slower then a stock motor?
and yea about the dyno its just a tool...also on a 1.8l the victor x sucks...and on that setup even a cheap hytech replica will make more power...but if u spent all that money what another 900-1000 on a nice header...you can even get an used bisimoto for like 500 on the for sale....
also watch out with those cams if ur v2v isnt to spec you could blow the engine...
10-24-2011, 06:34 PM
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Re: built an all-motor set-up to only be slower then a stock motor?
And we have a 
Those are NOT drop-in cams. You can't expect to drop them in and run worth a sh*t. Did you at least try the quick settings that are published for the Pro2s?
C'mon Mac...you know comparing IDs to older technology injectors is like comparing apples to oranges.
Those are NOT drop-in cams. You can't expect to drop them in and run worth a sh*t. Did you at least try the quick settings that are published for the Pro2s?
C'mon Mac...you know comparing IDs to older technology injectors is like comparing apples to oranges.
10-24-2011, 08:06 PM
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^^LMAO^^
and yea about the dyno its just a tool...also on a 1.8l the victor x sucks...and on that setup even a cheap hytech replica will make more power...but if u spent all that money what another 900-1000 on a nice header...you can even get an used bisimoto for like 500 on the for sale....
also watch out with those cams if ur v2v isnt to spec you could blow the engine...
and yea about the dyno its just a tool...also on a 1.8l the victor x sucks...and on that setup even a cheap hytech replica will make more power...but if u spent all that money what another 900-1000 on a nice header...you can even get an used bisimoto for like 500 on the for sale....
also watch out with those cams if ur v2v isnt to spec you could blow the engine...
10-24-2011, 09:32 PM
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What a lot of other people said...those cams need to be degreed to run correctly. Also, I suspect the Pro 2 cams require higher comp than you're running. With your build, I suspect a Pro 1 would be better, but it would still have to be degreed. If you don't want to do that, stick with a Tuner Stage 2 cam, which IS a drop-in cam.
Finally, that JDM header is killing some of your power as well. I picked up 7 whp by swapping out to one of Danny Tran's (DTR/SSR) headers. Make sure your exhaust is up to snuff as well...a 60mm or under exhaust will kill your power. 2.5" for your build should be about right. Loud, but right.
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Finally, that JDM header is killing some of your power as well. I picked up 7 whp by swapping out to one of Danny Tran's (DTR/SSR) headers. Make sure your exhaust is up to snuff as well...a 60mm or under exhaust will kill your power. 2.5" for your build should be about right. Loud, but right.
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10-24-2011, 10:22 PM
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Re: built an all-motor set-up to only be slower then a stock motor?
the compression in that engine is high..high 12s i bet...so for exhaust go 3 inch...header i would get a highend header or the new skunk2 alpha...the pro2s are fine for that compression on that engine...but get a performer x...also your running e85 so you should be able to make alot of power on that set up since ur not limited by 93 octane...but none of that matter if ur cams are not degreed in...and if they are not degreed in i bet u didnt measure v2v and p2v clearances...
take of the head measure ur clearances.. degree the cams...or sell the cams and get some tuner stage 2s or some other cams that can be set at 0-0
also your tuner should tell u all of this...but many shops in nyc dont know wtf they doing...my friend blew his f20b with pro2s cause they installed them at 0-0 and try to tune it with out knowing clearances..
take of the head measure ur clearances.. degree the cams...or sell the cams and get some tuner stage 2s or some other cams that can be set at 0-0
also your tuner should tell u all of this...but many shops in nyc dont know wtf they doing...my friend blew his f20b with pro2s cause they installed them at 0-0 and try to tune it with out knowing clearances..
10-24-2011, 10:38 PM
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Re: built an all-motor set-up to only be slower then a stock motor?
i have a "custom" bisimoto header...i should be dynoing soon...it might suck buts it sure looks nice...if engine holds by next spring ill buy an alpha or hytech rep and compare it to the bisi...and i pay for all my parts myself so if it sucks ill say it...nobody sponsors me a dime...
10-25-2011, 12:38 AM
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Re: built an all-motor set-up to only be slower then a stock motor?
Your steps:
1. Pull your head to inspect to make sure you haven't had V2V contact.
2. Check your clearances
3. Degree your cams
4. Get a good header (Skunk2 Alpha would be a good choice)
5. Build a 3" exhaust to go off that header
6. Tune the car
7. Go rape the sh*t out of it. It'll surprise you!
10-25-2011, 04:39 AM
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Re: built an all-motor set-up to only be slower then a stock motor?
OP, post up your graph
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10-25-2011, 09:04 AM
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the compression in that engine is high..high 12s i bet...so for exhaust go 3 inch...header i would get a highend header or the new skunk2 alpha...the pro2s are fine for that compression on that engine...but get a performer x...also your running e85 so you should be able to make alot of power on that set up since ur not limited by 93 octane...but none of that matter if ur cams are not degreed in...and if they are not degreed in i bet u didnt measure v2v and p2v clearances...
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Re: built an all-motor set-up to only be slower then a stock motor?
i have a "custom" bisimoto header...i should be dynoing soon...it might suck buts it sure looks nice...if engine holds by next spring ill buy an alpha or hytech rep and compare it to the bisi...and i pay for all my parts myself so if it sucks ill say it...nobody sponsors me a dime...
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Re: built an all-motor set-up to only be slower then a stock motor?
While it's a good graph...it's not really that pertinent to the original topic.
We've answered the OP's question. He needs to do the things I listed, and he'll figure out he has a sound build.
Besides...the OP's build has some damn high compression. IDK how high b/c he never listed exactly what head he's using. Not that it really matters, considering he's running e85.
We've answered the OP's question. He needs to do the things I listed, and he'll figure out he has a sound build.
Besides...the OP's build has some damn high compression. IDK how high b/c he never listed exactly what head he's using. Not that it really matters, considering he's running e85.
10-25-2011, 11:20 AM
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10-25-2011, 11:34 AM
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Re: built an all-motor set-up to only be slower then a stock motor?
While it's a good graph...it's not really that pertinent to the original topic.
We've answered the OP's question. He needs to do the things I listed, and he'll figure out he has a sound build.
Besides...the OP's build has some damn high compression. IDK how high b/c he never listed exactly what head he's using. Not that it really matters, considering he's running e85.
We've answered the OP's question. He needs to do the things I listed, and he'll figure out he has a sound build.
Besides...the OP's build has some damn high compression. IDK how high b/c he never listed exactly what head he's using. Not that it really matters, considering he's running e85.
10-25-2011, 12:12 PM
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Re: built an all-motor set-up to only be slower then a stock motor?
there should be a sticky about pro cams and how they need to be degreed because there are obviously a lot of people out there that still dont seem to get it lol
