F23 rods

4.8t · 04-18-2011, 03:33 PM

Who makes them beside Crower? Are they the only ones? Im going to build a f23 since my h22 has a huge hole in the side of it.

4.8t · 04-19-2011, 11:00 AM

Sounds like it would be the same price then. Might as well go with who already has the specs then huh.

Lil Tones · 04-19-2011, 12:27 PM

Can he use K20 rods? The only difference I can see is that they are 2 mm shorter that F23 rods, which could be good if he's using high compression, domed pistons.

4.8t · 04-19-2011, 01:37 PM

That would make the already bad Rod stroke ratio worse lol. And I'm going with flat top k20 wiseco pistons. And I want rods that can take 8000 rpm with that long stroke. 10.3:1 compression is fine for me.

4.8t · 04-19-2011, 03:12 PM

they are 316 according to wiseco. that's for .5mm overbore.

I don't know if that includes pins and rings or not.

4.8t · 04-20-2011, 12:06 AM

i want better rods anyway. not trying to cheap out, just wanted to know if there were any lower priced aftermarket rods available. i plan on working this motor pretty good. nothing spectacular, i just want an honest 400whp when its all said and done with my old turbo off my truck. its a t04r that i swaped housings to be a t3/t04r. i figure 15-20psi should get me where i want to be. it will be water/meth injected so i'm not worried about 10:1 compression being too much.

4.8t · 04-20-2011, 10:58 AM

But that tiny bore. From 87 h22 to 85 f22. Will that not cause horrible valve shrouding? What can you bore it to? 85.5? I was going 86.5 on the f23 so atleast it would have close to stock bore size for the head. Just wondering here but do they not turbo the k20 motors? Do they do ok with big power and skinny rod bearings? I haven't looked it to it, that's an honest question.

4.8t · 04-20-2011, 12:50 PM

An f22 would be easy to find. Junk yard down the road is full of them. How strong is the girdle on it? I thought the f23 had bigger mains and the stronger girdle. That long stroke is so tempting though. So many decisions. What's the real down side of the slightly smaller bearing when considering the rod is aftermarket and good oil pressure.

4.8t · 04-20-2011, 02:16 PM

I don't have alot of funds for the build. So offset grinding the f22 crank and custom rods are a bit out of my range at the moment. This motor will be a daily driver 40+ miles a day. It won't always see 8000 rpm unless spirited driving is required. My tahoe will see more track time than my car. With my h22 I hardly went over 3500 rpm. Just didn't need it. Lol. Honestly my wife b18 build will get the turbo before me. If I can get enough power and torque with cams and head job it will probably stay that way for awhile. I wouldn't think 235-250hp is too bad of a n/a goal. Is it?

4.8t · 04-21-2011, 12:42 PM

Turns out the number one rod broke and put a hole in the motor and the number two rod bent. Head looks ok from what I can see.

Turbo3GLude · 05-04-2011, 11:29 AM

Are H23 and F23 rods the interchangeable?

gstrudler · 05-04-2011, 10:10 PM

No, h23 and f22 rods are I believe.

04-18-2011, 03:33 PM	#1
4.8t Honda-Tech Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: patuxent river, md, usa Posts: 352 iTrader Rating: (0)	F23 rods Who makes them beside Crower? Are they the only ones? Im going to build a f23 since my h22 has a huge hole in the side of it. __________________ '04 Tahoe AWD, trickperformance turbo kit, TC78 turbo, 4"magnaflow muffler, SC3200 yank, FLT LVL 7 4L60E, 5.3L ls6 heads lsg cam. 12.33 @110mph http://www.streetfire.net/video/turb...mph_741849.htm

04-19-2011, 11:00 AM	#2
4.8t Honda-Tech Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: patuxent river, md, usa Posts: 352 iTrader Rating: (0)	Re: F23 rods Sounds like it would be the same price then. Might as well go with who already has the specs then huh. __________________ '04 Tahoe AWD, trickperformance turbo kit, TC78 turbo, 4"magnaflow muffler, SC3200 yank, FLT LVL 7 4L60E, 5.3L ls6 heads lsg cam. 12.33 @110mph http://www.streetfire.net/video/turb...mph_741849.htm

04-19-2011, 12:27 PM	#3
Lil Tones Honda-Tech Member 1990 Honda Accord My Garage Join Date: May 2010 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 33 iTrader Rating: (0)	Re: F23 rods Can he use K20 rods? The only difference I can see is that they are 2 mm shorter that F23 rods, which could be good if he's using high compression, domed pistons. __________________ 90 Accord - F22/F23, Delta 272, Bisi intake manifold gasket, H22 plenum, A6 runners, Wiseco K20 pistons, Bisi valve springs, ACL race bearings, 2.25" catback, SRI

04-19-2011, 01:37 PM	#4
4.8t Honda-Tech Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: patuxent river, md, usa Posts: 352 iTrader Rating: (0)	Re: F23 rods That would make the already bad Rod stroke ratio worse lol. And I'm going with flat top k20 wiseco pistons. And I want rods that can take 8000 rpm with that long stroke. 10.3:1 compression is fine for me. __________________ '04 Tahoe AWD, trickperformance turbo kit, TC78 turbo, 4"magnaflow muffler, SC3200 yank, FLT LVL 7 4L60E, 5.3L ls6 heads lsg cam. 12.33 @110mph http://www.streetfire.net/video/turb...mph_741849.htm

04-19-2011, 03:12 PM	#5
4.8t Honda-Tech Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: patuxent river, md, usa Posts: 352 iTrader Rating: (0)	Re: F23 rods they are 316 according to wiseco. that's for .5mm overbore. I don't know if that includes pins and rings or not. __________________ '04 Tahoe AWD, trickperformance turbo kit, TC78 turbo, 4"magnaflow muffler, SC3200 yank, FLT LVL 7 4L60E, 5.3L ls6 heads lsg cam. 12.33 @110mph http://www.streetfire.net/video/turb...mph_741849.htm Last edited by 4.8t; 04-19-2011 at 04:48 PM.

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04-20-2011, 12:06 AM	#6
4.8t Honda-Tech Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: patuxent river, md, usa Posts: 352 iTrader Rating: (0)	Re: F23 rods i want better rods anyway. not trying to cheap out, just wanted to know if there were any lower priced aftermarket rods available. i plan on working this motor pretty good. nothing spectacular, i just want an honest 400whp when its all said and done with my old turbo off my truck. its a t04r that i swaped housings to be a t3/t04r. i figure 15-20psi should get me where i want to be. it will be water/meth injected so i'm not worried about 10:1 compression being too much. __________________ '04 Tahoe AWD, trickperformance turbo kit, TC78 turbo, 4"magnaflow muffler, SC3200 yank, FLT LVL 7 4L60E, 5.3L ls6 heads lsg cam. 12.33 @110mph http://www.streetfire.net/video/turb...mph_741849.htm

04-20-2011, 10:58 AM	#7
4.8t Honda-Tech Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: patuxent river, md, usa Posts: 352 iTrader Rating: (0)	Re: F23 rods But that tiny bore. From 87 h22 to 85 f22. Will that not cause horrible valve shrouding? What can you bore it to? 85.5? I was going 86.5 on the f23 so atleast it would have close to stock bore size for the head. Just wondering here but do they not turbo the k20 motors? Do they do ok with big power and skinny rod bearings? I haven't looked it to it, that's an honest question. __________________ '04 Tahoe AWD, trickperformance turbo kit, TC78 turbo, 4"magnaflow muffler, SC3200 yank, FLT LVL 7 4L60E, 5.3L ls6 heads lsg cam. 12.33 @110mph http://www.streetfire.net/video/turb...mph_741849.htm

04-20-2011, 12:50 PM	#8
4.8t Honda-Tech Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: patuxent river, md, usa Posts: 352 iTrader Rating: (0)	Re: F23 rods An f22 would be easy to find. Junk yard down the road is full of them. How strong is the girdle on it? I thought the f23 had bigger mains and the stronger girdle. That long stroke is so tempting though. So many decisions. What's the real down side of the slightly smaller bearing when considering the rod is aftermarket and good oil pressure. __________________ '04 Tahoe AWD, trickperformance turbo kit, TC78 turbo, 4"magnaflow muffler, SC3200 yank, FLT LVL 7 4L60E, 5.3L ls6 heads lsg cam. 12.33 @110mph http://www.streetfire.net/video/turb...mph_741849.htm

04-20-2011, 02:16 PM	#9
4.8t Honda-Tech Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: patuxent river, md, usa Posts: 352 iTrader Rating: (0)	Re: F23 rods I don't have alot of funds for the build. So offset grinding the f22 crank and custom rods are a bit out of my range at the moment. This motor will be a daily driver 40+ miles a day. It won't always see 8000 rpm unless spirited driving is required. My tahoe will see more track time than my car. With my h22 I hardly went over 3500 rpm. Just didn't need it. Lol. Honestly my wife b18 build will get the turbo before me. If I can get enough power and torque with cams and head job it will probably stay that way for awhile. I wouldn't think 235-250hp is too bad of a n/a goal. Is it? __________________ '04 Tahoe AWD, trickperformance turbo kit, TC78 turbo, 4"magnaflow muffler, SC3200 yank, FLT LVL 7 4L60E, 5.3L ls6 heads lsg cam. 12.33 @110mph http://www.streetfire.net/video/turb...mph_741849.htm

04-21-2011, 12:42 PM	#10
4.8t Honda-Tech Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: patuxent river, md, usa Posts: 352 iTrader Rating: (0)	Re: F23 rods Turns out the number one rod broke and put a hole in the motor and the number two rod bent. Head looks ok from what I can see. __________________ '04 Tahoe AWD, trickperformance turbo kit, TC78 turbo, 4"magnaflow muffler, SC3200 yank, FLT LVL 7 4L60E, 5.3L ls6 heads lsg cam. 12.33 @110mph http://www.streetfire.net/video/turb...mph_741849.htm

05-04-2011, 11:29 AM	#11
Turbo3GLude Honda-Tech Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 7 iTrader Rating: (0)	Re: F23 rods Are H23 and F23 rods the interchangeable?

05-04-2011, 10:10 PM	#12
gstrudler Honda-Tech Member 1997 Honda Prelude Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Oregon City, OR, USA Posts: 1,584 iTrader Rating: (0)	Re: F23 rods No, h23 and f22 rods are I believe. __________________ 1997 Prelude SH (1987 CRX - deceased) (1997 del Sol VTEC - deceased)

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