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Old 08-16-2010, 08:17 PM
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Default B16a Non-Vtec (P-75) Winter beater

Hi
My real B project is in rebuilt so i build a cheep motor wit a B16a bloc and P-75 head.
Lot of fitting was needed,
But it run verry well
Im even surprise from the top end power
But its almost dead under 4500rpm
The motor is not tune yet
But i would like to know what kind of power you think it can make
I guess 110tq@5200rpm 130Whp@6500rpm

Stock P-75 Head + IM
B18b cams
Tri-Y race headers
3" exhaust
spark plugs from the Odl winter set up

I will run it at the track this week
My guess is the same E.T. as an 1999 Si-R

What is yours ?
Old 08-17-2010, 06:17 PM
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y the ls head and not the b16 head and what's the compression.

And also the b16 cams is what makes the b16 rev and i'd say maybe 15.7
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Default Re: B16a Non-Vtec (P-75) Winter beater

What transmission is the motor attached to, just out of curiosity?
Old 08-17-2010, 07:45 PM
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Default Re: B16a Non-Vtec (P-75) Winter beater

Originally Posted by AltimaXX
What transmission is the motor attached to, just out of curiosity?
2001 type R Clutch LSD
Car weight: 2550 wit me
Old 08-17-2010, 07:55 PM
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Default Re: B16a Non-Vtec (P-75) Winter beater

Originally Posted by h23V
y the ls head and not the b16 head and what's the compression.

And also the b16 cams is what makes the b16 rev and i'd say maybe 15.7
The LS head cuz i dont want to install a Nice vtec head on a B16...
I could put ITR cams. But it will be winter soon
Better keep the Vtec head for an B18b wit Si-R pistons or a B20 hy compression.
The B16a CR is 10.5:1 with P-75 Head (Arias pistons)
Have you ever saw a B16a Non Vtec ? LOL
now we will see the E.T. it can make peek TQ seam 6000rpm
@15.7 i spin myself on the flore But it possible ( the thing pull at 5500-7000rpm)
GSR run 15.5... Im 1.6L and nonVtec LOL
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Originally Posted by Frankacura
The LS head cuz i dont want to install a Nice vtec head on a B16...
I could put ITR cams. But it will be winter soon
Better keep the Vtec head for an B18b wit Si-R pistons or a B20 hy compression.
The B16a CR is 10.5:1 with P-75 Head (Arias pistons)
Have you ever saw a B16a Non Vtec ? LOL
now we will see the E.T. it can make peek TQ seam 6000rpm
@15.7 i spin myself on the flore But it possible ( the thing pull at 5500-7000rpm)
GSR run 15.5... Im 1.6L and nonVtec LOL
Nah it's most def a 1st lol but i guess i see ur point.
Old 08-19-2010, 08:18 AM
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Default Re: B16a Non-Vtec (P-75) Winter beater

So a rare motor, even never saw before is not interesting much people...
I guess that if HP numbers arent big, its not funny !
But i do find it funny :p and cheep LOL
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Yea i would say numbers is what brings attention. But i wouldn't see y anyone would do a b16 block with ls head. Unless u just doing it like urself I'm sure people would be intrested in a 230 whp all motor b16 with the stock crank shaft lol.
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Like a 13 or 14 to 1 compression 85mm bore with b16 crank would be intresting to talk about.
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Default Re: B16a Non-Vtec (P-75) Winter beater

So its basically kind of like a dohc zc?
I find it really interesting, that motor could see days and nights of abuse without stress!
Throw a 75 shot :p
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Default Re: B16a Non-Vtec (P-75) Winter beater

^ performance similar to a dohc zc (?)
This motor is the antithesis of your previous build; a destroked B18a/b.
Curious about how it might perform with a P8R head.
Do you have any pics?
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Default Re: B16a Non-Vtec (P-75) Winter beater

Originally Posted by vtec8200
So its basically kind of like a dohc zc?
I find it really interesting, that motor could see days and nights of abuse without stress!
Throw a 75 shot :p
Bingo
Its just the motor that gonna bring me to the next racing saison,
by the time the 2.2L is in rebuilt
But the b16a nonVtec is way better to drive that the ZC
Will get some E.T tomorow...
Tell your Guess before the result
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Default Re: B16a Non-Vtec (P-75) Winter beater

Originally Posted by Str8EJ
^ performance similar to a dohc zc (?)
This motor is the antithesis of your previous build; a destroked B18a/b.
Curious about how it might perform with a P8R head.
Do you have any pics?
You cant sit a P8R head on 81mm bore...




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Old 08-20-2010, 07:12 PM
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Default Re: B16a Non-Vtec (P-75) Winter beater

So i knew that it was pushing on top end...
But i would never say that it can run 92mph
This is on my street tuning.
But i wish i go on the dyno see the numbers !

Not bad for an B16a Non-Vtec and Stock head.
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I say 140whp.
Old 08-21-2010, 06:25 AM
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Default Re: B16a Non-Vtec (P-75) Winter beater

Originally Posted by h23V
I say 140whp.
How could it be possible.
Chite, what's that lill thing
I mean. this is a motor that a did not take care to get it on power and look at it !
The spark plugs run all last winter IDLE to eat the motor, morning, lunch time, night to go back home.
I have a distance starter
the spark plugs wires are from B20 1999 ( year is on the wire)
I just put the timing right before the track cuz i forgot to bring it back after the built and it was a lill to low. (10)
so now the 2500-4000rpm is better, was lill down in tq

At the track my first run was just beside a 1999 Civic B16a
Cuz i was sleeping at the take off, he beat me. but i did a better E.T.
He did 88mph i did 90mph
He came beside me and repete what i told him before ( YOU HAVE P-75 HEAD !!!) LOLOL
He made 2.37 60fts
and i did 2.46
at the 1/8 he hit 10.076
at the 1/8 i hit 10.104
1000 fts he hit 13.050
my 1000ts is 13.070
Finish: Civic B16a 15.578@88.51mph (15.44 his best ever)
Frank B16a NV 15.576@90.39mph (15.30 my best that day)
Happy from that winter beater
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Default Re: B16a Non-Vtec (P-75) Winter beater

very unique ....if i had the stuff laying around i would have done it too
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Default Re: B16a Non-Vtec (P-75) Winter beater

Originally Posted by 91tegraRS
very unique ....if i had the stuff laying around i would have done it too
Look around, there is many B16a that lost the head for an LSVTEC.
People dont ask much for only the B16a short bloc.
Then somebody will be happy to get rid of P-75 head laying around since...
but dont forget that it take a head gasket and lot of your time to get it done.
Vtec Bloc oil galley
The LS intake is tutching the thermostat, so i got to gring both.
the bloc vtec is wider that the head, headers was not sitting.
Si-R head bolts was to long.
But i have been able to use the B20 timing belt that was laying
i did not have the B16 one.
Have been surprise to see the :
oil pressure@35psi at 1000rpm
70psi@2500rpm Hot
75psi 3200rpm Hot
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I'd say u get 140whp from the header compression and the tuning. Tuning means everything. a basic b16 setup should make 160whp for stock b16 with bolton's and a decent tune.
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Originally Posted by h23V
I'd say u get 140whp from the header compression and the tuning. Tuning means everything. a basic b16 setup should make 160whp for stock b16 with bolton's and a decent tune.
When i take a look at the B16 built on the site, they need cams to get on 160Whp.
You know what. im trying to get my friend Crower 403 cams/Springs to put them in the B16a nonvtec.
It should be very interesting to see the gains and it must be able to shift at 8200-8300rpm on them.
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I will try to bring the thing at 15 flat, on my street tires at the 1/4. (93MPH) ??
I hope that its gonna be sun shine, this sunday.
I will not post result that are not under 15.15
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this is neat. but you should be able to get much better times with your mph. id say it should do a 14.8 or so, I did 14.6 at 94mph with my b16
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94 mph in a 2550 lbs car?

its making around 140-150whp and about 115-127ft of torque.
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Default Re: B16a Non-Vtec (P-75) Winter beater

Originally Posted by K7-1Ktrevor
this is neat. but you should be able to get much better times with your mph. id say it should do a 14.8 or so, I did 14.6 at 94mph with my b16
If i can get a good take off, Cuz this B16 seam hard to get out of the box.
I will put my best street tire that i did use with my low TQ LSVTEC.
If i can get 2.25sec. from the box, against 2.41s ill be at 15.1 right away.
But the Integra weight lot.
I have to spinn till 4000rpm, or it die befor 4000rpm
But i will drop my tires pressure to 12 psi
Still have to shift 7100rpm (valves float)

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