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CNCPORT.COM · 11-20-2009, 08:41 AM

I don't know which Vendors are using these valves but I personally feel like you should stay away from these. They seem to me to be acting more like a "broach" on this guide.

I have never seen guides so wasted before. And valve seals too.

I received this head to freshen the valve job and when I took it apart noticed the guides being wooped.
If we were doing valves like this, we would have alot of warranty issues coming.

I had to shoot a video of this, just because I couldn't believe it.
Video:

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locash · 11-20-2009, 08:52 AM

Wow! Anyone have a clue what names those are sold under?

Honda Bull · 11-20-2009, 09:45 AM

Holy hell!

SOHCD16y8 · 11-20-2009, 12:15 PM

Wow.

jtperf · 11-20-2009, 12:27 PM

geeez

mikesrex · 11-20-2009, 12:40 PM

Dang that is crazy! Stay away from those!

MikeySpec · 11-20-2009, 02:02 PM

http://bpracingblog.com/?p=202

Blueprint?

ALL IMPORT · 11-20-2009, 02:08 PM

'BluePrint Racing, Inc was announced official & exclusive distributor of SINUS Performance™ engine valves series, for the Honda and Acura sport compact division."

thats what the site says

ciscoscivic · 11-20-2009, 02:45 PM

crazy

NAH2B · 11-20-2009, 02:47 PM

sinus calls them "snakeskin superfinish" valves lol

the grooves are meant to retain oil for added lubrication and reduced friction

looks like they do the exact opposite lol

they basicaly said its a cheap alternative to expensive coatings normally applied to valve stems for reduced friction because they can machine theese grooves in house w/ their current equiptment

guess you get what you pay for.....

turbociv910 · 11-20-2009, 03:00 PM

ouch.

guess we know which valves not to buy

MrParks · 11-20-2009, 03:08 PM

wow, good post cnc. someone is looking to drop valves in this market lol . that would make me move some furniture around my house on a new motor.

stick with what works, and whos supporting this industry.

SUPERTECH PERFORMANCE

WWW.SUPERTECHPERFORMANCE.COM

runsfromdacops · 11-20-2009, 03:46 PM

all i have to say is wow, sad the vales look kinda cool but are no good.

NAH2B · 11-20-2009, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrParks

wow, good post cnc. someone is looking to drop valves in this market lol . that would make me move some furniture around my house on a new motor.

stick with what works, and whos supporting this industry.

SUPERTECH PERFORMANCE

WWW.SUPERTECHPERFORMANCE.COM

lol are you kidding me

supertech valves are one of the worst

they break and drop all the time....

sweetfwdthunder · 11-20-2009, 04:38 PM

Wow thats horrible! Thanks for posting this

lohatch · 11-20-2009, 04:53 PM

wow. looks like those little grooves make excellent hacksaws.

hello1320 · 11-20-2009, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NAH2B

lol are you kidding me

supertech valves are one of the worst

they break and drop all the time....

WTF.....Go back to sleep

E Town DSM · 11-20-2009, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NAH2B

lol are you kidding me

supertech valves are one of the worst

they break and drop all the time....

ive seen that a few times

SonicRacing1 · 11-20-2009, 06:42 PM

supertech valves are good for the price but i say FERREA valves FTW

Boosted_01 R · 11-20-2009, 06:58 PM

HOLY MOLY where do guys get designs like that

That's basically a high RPM file LOL

regamaster · 11-20-2009, 07:58 PM

LOL...

That head is actually ours and there is some depth into what took place on this.
We USE to use these SINUS valves which were made for Go PowerMotorsports at that time (which they no longer do because of this issue), which now these valves are only being sold through BluePrint as they now have an exclusive on SINUS Valves.

We found out these valves caused excessive guide wear that eventually led to engine failure, especially in High RPM motor. With an idea of how long these have been in this motor, it was only 2 dyno sessions and 2 events. On the last session on the second pull, The valves broke and caused head damage and destroyed the head our brand new piston (only in number 4). Since we noticed this issue we are now only using Supertech valves. We originally thought that this was something that would benefit use with the reduction in friction, but in the end, caused more damage then it was worth.

As for being cheap, those are titanium nitrate coated and snaked skin, and still cost a lot. however, none of that means much anymore from having issues like this right? lol

H2BInspiredDC2 · 11-20-2009, 10:51 PM

Wow!! Can you say major oil consumption? That's horrible.

king06 · 11-21-2009, 12:35 AM

Good to know.

extralargenog · 11-21-2009, 02:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrParks

wow, good post cnc. someone is looking to drop valves in this market lol . that would make me move some furniture around my house on a new motor.

stick with what works, and whos supporting this industry.

SUPERTECH PERFORMANCE

WWW.SUPERTECHPERFORMANCE.COM

No thanks. Ferrea PLZ... Ive heard too many stories of suprertech valves snapping the heads off on overrevs and whatnot... I managed to overrev my H to about 11K plus (1-2-3-2 full throttle no lift - mechanically driven) and absolutely NOTHING wrong with my Ferrea 6000s

NAH2B · 11-21-2009, 04:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by regamaster

LOL...

We found out these valves caused excessive guide wear that eventually led to engine failure, especially in High RPM motor. With an idea of how long these have been in this motor, it was only 2 dyno sessions and 2 events. On the last session on the second pull, The valves broke and caused head damage and destroyed the head our brand new piston (only in number 4). Since we noticed this issue we are now only using Supertech valves. We originally thought that this was something that would benefit use with the reduction in friction, but in the end, caused more damage then it was worth.

you are taking a risk of catastrophic failure by using supertech valves

as others have said, the heads break off all the time

supertech valves are cheaper for a reason

i would hate to see you have another engine failure especially due to a valve issue again....

11-20-2009, 08:52 AM	#2
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11-20-2009, 07:58 PM	#21
regamaster Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Land of the Lost, usa Posts: 977	Re: Wow! Extreme Guide Wear - Beware LOL... That head is actually ours and there is some depth into what took place on this. We USE to use these SINUS valves which were made for Go PowerMotorsports at that time (which they no longer do because of this issue), which now these valves are only being sold through BluePrint as they now have an exclusive on SINUS Valves. We found out these valves caused excessive guide wear that eventually led to engine failure, especially in High RPM motor. With an idea of how long these have been in this motor, it was only 2 dyno sessions and 2 events. On the last session on the second pull, The valves broke and caused head damage and destroyed the head our brand new piston (only in number 4). Since we noticed this issue we are now only using Supertech valves. We originally thought that this was something that would benefit use with the reduction in friction, but in the end, caused more damage then it was worth. As for being cheap, those are titanium nitrate coated and snaked skin, and still cost a lot. however, none of that means much anymore from having issues like this right? lol Last edited by regamaster; 11-20-2009 at 09:24 PM.

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