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Old 08-28-2002, 04:55 PM   #1
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Default Target stores in trouble? Racism????

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Wednesday, Aug 28, 2002, 1:05 pm EST

Racist Apparel At Target Stores
The Sacramento Bee, Calif.

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Aug. 28--A Davis resident, shocked to find clothing with white supremacist symbols at a Target store, triggered a nationwide alert Tuesday by one of the country`s largest discount chains.
Target Stores of Minneapolis issued a call to all 1,100 stores nationwide to stop selling clothing printed with "eight eight" and "88" -- code among neo-Nazis for "Heil Hitler" because H is the eighth letter of the alphabet.

Joseph Rodriguez, a video-producer for the University of California, Davis, learned the meaning of the white power code from a documentary on racist rock music.

He was stunned in June when he found the type in the fabric pattern of a pair of red shorts he pulled from a rack at the Elk Grove Target store.

"I know what it means," said Rodriguez, who bought the shorts and took them to the store manager to complain. "That frightens me that it`s out there."

Target officials said they first learned what the symbols meant Monday night when information about Rodriguez`s complaints was put on a Web site of the Southern Poverty Law Center, a nationwide tracker of racist organizations.

"Nobody knew what it meant," said Carolyn Brookter, director of corporate communications for Target. "We certainly apologize that this was out there. We would not have any white supremacist symbols out selling as merchandise." But Rodriguez said the Elk Grove manager told him the store sells what it is shipped.

Rodriguez said he then complained to Target`s corporate office and was "blown off."

So Rodriguez enlisted the help of the Southern Poverty Law Center, which campaigns against racism and runs an educational Web site, http://www.tolerance.org.

In addition to removing the clothing from summer clearance racks, Target will conduct a campaign to teach store buyers and advertisers about such symbols, Brookter said.

She said Target is sorry Rodriguez`s complaints were not brought to her attention earlier. Customer relations personnel will be alerted about the need to act quickly on such issues, she said.

The baseball caps and shorts were manufactured by UTILITY, one of Target`s private labels. Brookter said the store`s buyer will look into how the offending type came to be used.

Jennifer Holladay, director of the Southern Poverty Law Center`s tolerance project, said she was pleased the merchandise was being pulled from Target`s shelves.

"We never want neo-Nazi regalia to become part of mainstream fashion," she said. "It can send very dangerous messages. It perhaps gives members of hate groups and neo-Nazi groups in the U.S. an elevated acceptance."

Holladay said people who have bought the clothing could be sending a message to white supremacists that they endorse those beliefs.

After his initial complaint in June, Rodriguez said he returned to the Elk Grove store a couple of weeks ago and found two more pairs of shorts with the symbols in the children`s department. The Elk Grove store did not return The Bee`s telephone call, but Sacramento`s Target store removed all the merchandise after Rodriguez brought it to their attention in June.

"We`re a family-oriented store," said assistant manager Todd Blackwell. "We took them off our shelves. We sent e-mails out to the other stores."

Brian Levin, director of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University, San Bernardino, said "88" is common among supremacists in graffiti and is a popular tattoo.

The Anti-Defamation League also has identified 88 as a sign of neo-Nazi groups that is often found on hate group fliers and used in the greetings and closings of letters.

Levin said such symbols often are co-opted by mainstream society, noting that a form of the German Iron Cross is popular among skateboarders and surfers who have no ties to white supremacists. The cross was a German military symbol long before it became closely tied to Hitler and his Third Reich.

"A lot of the symbols that white supremacists use are borrowed from mainstream culture, so there is a fair amount of cross-pollination," he said. But, Levin added, "The terrible thing here is the 88 symbol is a hard-core and highly distinctive neo-Nazi symbol, and for this to be on the shelves is an abomination."

Rodriguez was pleased with Target`s response Tuesday, but was sorry that the store didn`t act sooner. He hopes Target stores will help teach parents about the dangers of such symbols.

As a chairman with the Hispanic Staff Association at UC Davis, Rodriguez said he and others are planning brown-bag lunch sessions on the hidden signs of racism.

"It`s in our home. It`s all around us," said Rodriguez.

"It upset me that half a mile down the freeway, there was a store selling merchandise that represents white supremacy groups that want to see me and people of color dead."

The Sacramento Bee, Calif.




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Old 08-28-2002, 04:59 PM   #2
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I shop at target all the time, and they have hardly any white people working in the store....I think it's prolly a coincidance rather than a national plot to spread propaganda.
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Old 08-28-2002, 05:18 PM   #3
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True. Although you have to admit, that's pretty slick if done on purpose by some person or small group.
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Old 08-28-2002, 05:20 PM   #4
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88 is now bad...

c'mon people... this is dumb

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Hey, OT but what's the deal with 666? What do those numbers have to do with the devil?
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Old 08-28-2002, 05:28 PM   #6
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i thought the news mention d that it was at Kmart stores
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Give me a break. I suppose every racecar driver with the #88 is racist now too.
Oh, and Ozzy really put subliminal messages in his music too.
A big Click the image to open in full size. to that whole controversy.
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88 is now bad...

c'mon people... this is dumb
no ****, i HIGHLY doubt that was their intention. just some ******* jackass trying to start **** cause he has no life.
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Remember when the NAACP or somebody went after 311 (the band) cuz they said K is the 11th letter of the alphabet so 311=KKK?
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c'mon people... this is dumb

no ****, i HIGHLY doubt that was their intention. just some ******* jackass trying to start **** cause he has no life.
I agree, lets not let it get to the point where we are censoring numbrs, especially with an honest mistake. I mean we already cant say Twins or Towers in the same sentence. Sounds like we are adopting my sex life policy,if we pretend it never happend, It didnt right?
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Hey, OT but what's the deal with 666? What do those numbers have to do with the devil?
Allow me to explain. I know a bit about Satanism.

The numerology behind the number 666 is never mentioned in the Hebrew Bible and wasn't mentioned until the Book of Revelations was made an addition to the New Testament. Its a numerological system in which a man's name would equal 666. A mere warning of a man, plain and simple. By the time and events of these writtings, it is most likely that man who=666 was the Roman Emporer Nero but even Jesus fulfilled this number and with connection to the title Baal (lord) Jesus=666 in ascll numerology.


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Ugh... to hell we are going... Honest mistakes get you sued. How much you want to bet 88 stood for 1988?
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Old 08-29-2002, 03:00 PM   #14
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I saw merchandise in question on the news tonight. It looked pretty damn weird to me. Army looking clothing with skulls, looked like some malitia nonsense. Its probably true.
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with all of the "trendy" number shirts that american eagle and abercrombie (and the dozen other stores just like them under a different name)... sell they've had shirts with the number 88 on them and no one said a thing. kind of funny, "i know what that means!" i doubt a huge chain would put that number on there for that reason. c'mon now. people are just looking for something to bitch about.
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Leave it up to some idiot in Davis or Berkeley to complain about two numbers on a shirt, damn liberals. Click the image to open in full size. Socialism for all!!! Click the image to open in full size.
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Oh man...I always use the # 88 to be my Autox/Track #

In Chinese, it means, "get rich"


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Did a google on "eighty eight" and found about 1000 sites about: the Olds 88, the German 88mm cannon, various "eighty eight ways to..." articles, ninteen eighty eight, piano keyboards, etc. Refining the search to " 'eighty eight' heil hitler' " I found two "how to identify hate sites" sites at universities that state the "88 = heil hitler" theory. Didn't find any actual "hate sites" anywhere.
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In Chinese, it means, "get rich"


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it's the same down in rva.
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unless everbody knows its a bad symbol then it isent bad

i dident know 88 ment that....so what they cant sell 311 cd's now becasue K happens to be the 11 leter of the alphabet and 3 of them make KKK.....come on here people

seems like a bad coincidence not some racist conspiricy by neo *****
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Its all just a conspiracy by K-Mart to get back sales Click the image to open in full size.
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quick! ban the use of the number 88, take it off of everything including your kids t-ball shirt! if the hate groups see us using that number than they will start the race war! Click the image to open in full size. Click the image to open in full size.

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What a joke...will this ever end? Why does the law even pay this **** any attention?

Word on the street is Marvin Harrison is also being indicted on 6 counts of neo-naziism due to the #88 he wears for the Colts.

"Harrison is apparently the first black man to ever support the **** movement. He planned on wearing his #88 jersey at games in front of thousands of fans to try and spread his message of hatred"

When will this **** end...
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