***One & ONLY Official 8th Gen General Discussion/Ramble/Rant/Intro Thread***

[K5^]

Originally Posted by Tokyosmash! I dont Good for you.

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[Tokyosmash!]

Originally Posted by K5^

Good for you.

I dont have my Si anymore either

[K5^]

Originally Posted by Tokyosmash!

I dont have my Si anymore either

I figured that.

What are you rolling around in now, if you do not mind me asking?

[i-VTEC_DOHC]

^well there goes the 10 minute theory lol

[K5^]

I don't get it.

[Nighthawk R18]

damn i was going to start one of these too.

anywho, whats up folks

k5^ update your first post with rules

or its going to turn into chaos

[FijiBlueFG2]

What if we made it, General Discussion involving the 06+ Civic Si? In other words, shit that does not necessarily need its own thread, but is interesting nonetheless.

[K5^]

Originally Posted by Nighthawk R18

damn i was going to start one of these too.

anywho, whats up folks

k5^ update your first post with rules

or its going to turn into chaos

Thanks for looking out.

[Tokyosmash!]

Originally Posted by K5^

I figured that.

What are you rolling around in now, if you do not mind me asking?

I've been driving the 85' 911 I bought 6 months or so back and a few weeks back a black 06' S2000 caught my eye so I traded the Civic on it. Kinda miss it, kinda dont. Since i've had the S im not driving the 911 so I guess im going to sell that next

[K5^]

Why sell it? Keep one as a beater.

[FijiBlueFG2]

Edit: Make the Porsche a beater, make the s2k a weekend warrior.

[RICO_]

Fijiblue......I would like for u to elaborate on ur quote in ur signature regarding health insurance. Why do u think that is justified?

[K5^]

Now we get into the heated debates. I want to hear what some of have to say about this.

I for one am not a fan of where this is going. Medicare (albeit not the best) is already in place for those who cannot afford their own private third party insurance. I just don't believe in supporting others other than my own blood more than I am now.

[FijiBlueFG2]

I am pretty much a libertarian. I believe very heavily in individual freedom and responsibility. One should be free to choose whether or not they want health insurance, and they should also be responsible for financing it themselves. Health insurance affects only the individual, and because of that it should not be forced upon the public in the same manner that car insurance or liability insurance is.

It is simply a fact that there are individuals in our society who are intent of damaging their bodies, and have no regard for what they put into them. There are many drug and alcohol abusers who care not about where they will be 5 years from now. Hell, some don't even care where they will be 5 days from now. It is their choice to destroy their bodies, it is their choice to not have to pay health insurance. However, it is also their responsibilty to pay for their rehabilitation if ten years down the road they decide they want to get clean. Why should you or I pay for their treatment?

While my signature may be a little harsh, my opinion is based on the idea that it is not difficult to afford insurance. It is not difficult to get a decent job, if you work towards getting that job. This is why I get a kick out of homeless people. There's this homeless guy who sits outside my work. He is there from 5am to 5pm every single day, begging for change. He could work a multitude of jobs in that time period, and not have to sit there all day. He claims he has a mental problem that doesn't allow him to work a job, but I believe that is a cop out. The Best Buy near me, for example, has an individual working there who has down syndrome. If that individual can work, surely a witty conversationalist living on the street could work a job.

I don't believe that the medical industry is somehow disappearing. If we allow the industry to be subjected to the principles of a free market, ultimately drug prices will regulate themselves. Perhaps we should shorten the time period of patents on prescription drugs, allowing the generic market to more easily acquire the products, allowing cheaper sales.

[2008fijibluesi]

Originally Posted by FijiBlueFG2

I am pretty much a libertarian. I believe very heavily in individual freedom and responsibility. One should be free to choose whether or not they want health insurance, and they should also be responsible for financing it themselves. Health insurance affects only the individual, and because of that it should not be forced upon the public in the same manner that car insurance or liability insurance is.

It is simply a fact that there are individuals in our society who are intent of damaging their bodies, and have no regard for what they put into them. There are many drug and alcohol abusers who care not about where they will be 5 years from now. Hell, some don't even care where they will be 5 days from now. It is their choice to destroy their bodies, it is their choice to not have to pay health insurance. However, it is also their responsibilty to pay for their rehabilitation if ten years down the road they decide they want to get clean. Why should you or I pay for their treatment?

While my signature may be a little harsh, my opinion is based on the idea that it is not difficult to afford insurance. It is not difficult to get a decent job, if you work towards getting that job. This is why I get a kick out of homeless people. There's this homeless guy who sits outside my work. He is there from 5am to 5pm every single day, begging for change. He could work a multitude of jobs in that time period, and not have to sit there all day. He claims he has a mental problem that doesn't allow him to work a job, but I believe that is a cop out. The Best Buy near me, for example, has an individual working there who has down syndrome. If that individual can work, surely a witty conversationalist living on the street could work a job.

I don't believe that the medical industry is somehow disappearing. If we allow the industry to be subjected to the principles of a free market, ultimately drug prices will regulate themselves. Perhaps we should shorten the time period of patents on prescription drugs, allowing the generic market to more easily acquire the products, allowing cheaper sales.

While I agree with a lot of what you say, I don't see eye to eye with you on other points. I will use myself as an example because I too believe in individual responsibility. I am a 25 year old healthy male. I'm 5'11'' 176 pounds all muscle, have never smoked a cigarette in my life and have never taken a single drug, ever. I don't drink at all. I am pretty much straight edge. I take care of myself.

I have worked for my brother for 6 years and the pay is good, but not really good enough to afford my own healthcare. My brother owns a small business and he can't afford to provide healthcare to employees right now either. I'm stuck. I haven't been to a doctor since I was in high school (7 years ago) and I pay for dentist and chiropractic visits out of pocket. I like my job. It's flexible (which is perfect for being in a band) and I have good security here. I really can't afford a pay cut to go to another job, and definitely couldn't handle working inside.

Maybe some form of help for small businesses and their employees that have been with them for a while?

I don't expect to get healthcare for free. But I feel I deserve it in some form, especially with all of the fatasses that don't pay a cent to have their stomach tied, when they could have just pushed their lard ass away from the table.

[FijiBlueFG2]

If it were up to me, healthcare would be an individual ability, not an employer mandate. What we need is to allow every individual to work a job, and every individual to pay for his own insurance; and whether he wants to Geo Metro plan or the Cadillac plan should be his choice, not his employer's. Under the current system we inhibit businesses ability to make jobs, which in turn inhibits the ability of the public to afford healthcare. (Which spirals into higher prices for medical care/presciption drugs, which is what is causing the problems we face today)

I won't even talk about the negative affect raising taxes would have on this system.

To sum it up, it is as if the Democrats are trying to dig a hole, but not removing the dirt from that hole. It looks like progress, but in reality it is just a shake-up of the status quo.

[builthatch]

Originally Posted by 2008fijibluesi

While I agree with a lot of what you say, I don't see eye to eye with you on other points. I will use myself as an example because I too believe in individual responsibility. I am a 25 year old healthy male. I'm 5'11'' 176 pounds all muscle, have never smoked a cigarette in my life and have never taken a single drug, ever. I don't drink at all. I am pretty much straight edge. I take care of myself.

I have worked for my brother for 6 years and the pay is good, but not really good enough to afford my own healthcare. My brother owns a small business and he can't afford to provide healthcare to employees right now either. I'm stuck. I haven't been to a doctor since I was in high school (7 years ago) and I pay for dentist and chiropractic visits out of pocket. I like my job. It's flexible (which is perfect for being in a band) and I have good security here. I really can't afford a pay cut to go to another job, and definitely couldn't handle working inside.

Maybe some form of help for small businesses and their employees that have been with them for a while?

I don't expect to get healthcare for free. But I feel I deserve it in some form, especially with all of the fatasses that don't pay a cent to have their stomach tied, when they could have just pushed their lard ass away from the table.

i too would be considered a pretty right leaning libertarian. i don't want handouts, i want to be able to do for myself, make my way, own my guns and be the best i can be as per me. for years, i was a 10/99 who paid about 500 a month for decent coverage. was it fun? no. but, as an extremely active person, and one who realizes i'm not immune from things like testicular cancer, or whatever...i did it despite the no-fun factor.

thankfully my wife is a municipal CFO and i have her insurance now, but all i'm saying is no matter what, i decided that i needed to make it happen and even if my wife didn't have the insurance deal, i would not lean on the gov't for some lame plan. i want good stuff, so i work for it. just like anything else in life here.

something i think that people don't realize, even the dems, is that reform doesn't need to mean revoking free market opportunities. it doesn't mean forcing a state run program on everyone, because, as everything in the past has proven, state run programs become abused and extremely inefficient. on the same page, i think the key to capitalism working is it can't run unchecked either, but the answer isn't f'n socialism!

a perfect example of running unchecked is i went to the hospital a while back for poking my eye during the course of my night's sleep and i couldn't see. so, in the middle of the night, we rolled to the hospital and i found out i had an abrasion on my cornea. so, they issued me some things, blah blah blah. well, on the insurance detail, like, what my insurance paid, there was one line item on there for ONE drop of medicine, one drop- 900 bucks. this didn't include services rendered, anything else, whatever...just the drop. 900 bucks.

sure, my insurance paid the whole thing, including that dumb drop, but i was pissed because that is without a doubt part of the reason why insurance is so high. that pharmaceutical company is running unchecked and that is insanity.

anyway, specific to your issue, a smart approach is to stick with the reform part of things by allowing small businesses to group together to purchase plans just like bigger companies with thousands of employees. make sure the pharmas are moderated and modulated just like the stock market, banking, or any other area where greed can overcome sense in a heartbeat.

[i-VTEC_DOHC]

Originally Posted by K5^

I don't get it.

oops. i was referring to the guy who it would take 10 minutes for the z06 to hit 200mph. and after i watched the video, i posted and you guys posted before i did so my post got pushed out of place haha

[i-VTEC_DOHC]

Originally Posted by FijiBlueFG2

I am pretty much a libertarian. I believe very heavily in individual freedom and responsibility. One should be free to choose whether or not they want health insurance, and they should also be responsible for financing it themselves. Health insurance affects only the individual, and because of that it should not be forced upon the public in the same manner that car insurance or liability insurance is.

It is simply a fact that there are individuals in our society who are intent of damaging their bodies, and have no regard for what they put into them. There are many drug and alcohol abusers who care not about where they will be 5 years from now. Hell, some don't even care where they will be 5 days from now. It is their choice to destroy their bodies, it is their choice to not have to pay health insurance. However, it is also their responsibilty to pay for their rehabilitation if ten years down the road they decide they want to get clean. Why should you or I pay for their treatment?

While my signature may be a little harsh, my opinion is based on the idea that it is not difficult to afford insurance. It is not difficult to get a decent job, if you work towards getting that job. This is why I get a kick out of homeless people. There's this homeless guy who sits outside my work. He is there from 5am to 5pm every single day, begging for change. He could work a multitude of jobs in that time period, and not have to sit there all day. He claims he has a mental problem that doesn't allow him to work a job, but I believe that is a cop out. The Best Buy near me, for example, has an individual working there who has down syndrome. If that individual can work, surely a witty conversationalist living on the street could work a job.

I don't believe that the medical industry is somehow disappearing. If we allow the industry to be subjected to the principles of a free market, ultimately drug prices will regulate themselves. Perhaps we should shorten the time period of patents on prescription drugs, allowing the generic market to more easily acquire the products, allowing cheaper sales.

i dont think you typed that right.

[FijiBlueFG2]

Originally Posted by i-VTEC_DOHC

i dont think you typed that right.

Whats wrong with it?

[RICO_]

Originally Posted by FijiBlueFG2

While my signature may be a little harsh, my opinion is based on the idea that it is not difficult to afford insurance. It is not difficult to get a decent job, if you work towards getting that job.

True. It's not difficult to afford insurance....IF someone is fortunate in getting a decent job. However not everyone is....and even those who possess the skills to qualify for a good job find themselves in an economy that's in the shitter and can't get that job. So they're stuck in mediokre jobs just trying to make ends meet.

Even people who are less fortunate still deserve to have health insurance. You can't blame them for trying to find a good job and having no luck as tons of people are experiencing right now.

To say that people who can't afford health insurance don't DESERVE it is a little selfish and inconsiderate to me. Because not everybody abuses the system. There ARE actually people out there that suffer from chronic diseases or terminal illnesses. There are people who don't just munch off the system and have legitimate reasons to visit the Emergency Room. And just because they weren't blessed with a $25/hr job doesn't mean it's entirely their fault and they deserve to suffer.

IMO the system abuses itself....and they get away with it. Pharmaceutical companies radically overcharging for their products, and of course what happens when someone starts becoming even the slightest inconvenience to an insurance company.....THEY DROP THEM. They figure it will cut into their millions and millions of dollars in profits (if not billions) and that is just totally unacceptable to them. So they drop you....happens with auto insurance notoriously well. File one claim with them that costs them more than their Starbucks Coffee and they'll drop you like a ton of bricks. It's f**kin ridiculous and makes me want to punch a koala bear.

[i-VTEC_DOHC]

Originally Posted by FijiBlueFG2

Whats wrong with it?

read what you typed. isnt that wrong in a general logic sort of way?
because you said its their responsibility to pay for their own rehab, but why should you or i pay for it?

it just doesn't sound right to me.

[RICO_]

Originally Posted by builthatch

that is without a doubt part of the reason why insurance is so high. that pharmaceutical company is running unchecked and that is insanity.

EXACTLY!!

[K5^]

Originally Posted by builthatch

anyway, specific to your issue, a smart approach is to stick with the reform part of things by allowing small businesses to group together to purchase plans just like bigger companies with thousands of employees. make sure the pharmas are moderated and modulated just like the stock market, banking, or any other area where greed can overcome sense in a heartbeat.

I agree with several of your points especially the government modulation/moderation of pharmaceuticals. However, the field of ceuticals is not just about the money (although that is a significant factor, but not the only one). For any new drug that hits the market, especially the blockbuster/moneymaker lipitor, there are 8-10 other newly introduced brand name drugs that its revenues are supporting. The costs involved in R&D of new drugs are astronomical due to the regulations put in place by the FDA, a federally controlled governing body. As the market becomes saturated with other drugs, there are fewer and fewer diseases out there for drugs to find a sizable niche market to fit in, therefore the research put into new drugs becomes that much higher. Before you bash on the ceuticals, keep in mind for every ten new drug products that make it through trials and actually hit the market, only two at most break even with the cost to be released. Moreover, the business side of advertising and promoting these drug products is where the money is really being burned. It's this side of the pharmaceutics that I don't at all care for. Every other commercial you see on TV nowadays is advertising some sort of Rx drug product.

Another point was brought up about patent life for prescription drugs, that they should be shortened. The standard issue patent life for any new Rx drug is 20 years. As soon as a pharma company develops their active ingredient, they get it patented. The drug trials alone take a little over a decade to complete in the best case scenario. This variable varies from drug to drug so some brands may have 7 years while others may have 2. If the patent expires before the drug can reach the market, the reapplication costs, on top of the R&D costs also get passed onto the consumers. Now I'm not defending the pharmaceutical companies at all, but I just want everyone to be informed where exactly their money goes when it comes to drugs.

Here's an interesting tid-bid about the ceuticals, some companies have been known to pay off generic drug manufacturers to lay off of gaining rights to manufacture brand name drugs. This so that brand name manuf. can hold on to their patents or apply for new ones to maintain their hold on the market. This is something that needs to be specifically addressed in all (4 or 5 is now, I don't even know anymore) bills before congress in this whole HCR debacle.

[RICO_]

I don't know. Maybe I'm missing some things. But all I see right now is a country tearing itself apart from all that is happening right now. Rising health care costs, lower wages, rising gas prices, rising consumer goods costs. Maybe all of this really is the beginning of the end.

I look forward to December 2012 to see what is in store for this god aweful world we live in.

I guarantee you I'll be camped out in my front yard with a long island and a big f**kin smile on my face......waiting for it.