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F23a Bottom+ F22a head=202hp

Old 06-20-2009, 06:53 PM
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This also posted in the all motor forum. But I know some who will like this in here too....

A hugh thank must first be said to:

Joe at Locash racing for the great tune and time taken with some trouble shooting.
Rosko racing for the custom parts.
Jeff at CHR Racing Products for the head work.
Steve at CCC for the great intake work.
Bisimoto for his custom cam, header, and valve springs.
B&R fittings for custom fuel line and oil catch can.
I'm sure there's some I missed and I appolagize.
The set up is as follows:

Block:
F23a bored to 87mm
Balance shafts removed
OEM TSX pistons and rings (revers mounted and valve reliefs fly cust)
Custom light weight Pauter rods
OEM bearing's w/ main bearing oiling holes drilled out bigger.
Endyn modified oil pump
Custom crank scraper (bitch to install)
ARP head and main studs
OEM 2 layer head gasket

Head:
P&P w/ valve job (head flows a little over 300cfm)
Milled 0.010"
OEM valves, Locks, and Retainers
Bisimoto springs
Bisimoto rocker arm spacers
Bisimoto custom level 3 cam w/ .480" lift intake and .503" lift exhaust
AEM pullys and cam gear
B&M fpr
RDX 410cc injectors
Roscko racing fuel rail, IAC block off, and EGR block off.
NGK spark lug wires

Exhaust:
Bisimoto custom header
Rs*R exhaust mag exhaust
2.5" high flow cat and test pipe.
-exhaust is funny fitting.

Intake:
Bisimoto IM heat shield gasket
Blacktrax intake manifold spacer
-ported TB opening on plenum to 70mm.
CCC ported H23 intake manifold taken from 8 ports to 4 ports
3" intake w/ Bpi flow stack and K&N filter
Omni 70mm TB

Transmission:
H23 5spd w/ F23 fith gear
Fidanza 8lb flywheel
TXS 6 puck clutch

There is prob. more that I've forgotten. It was able to put down 202hp from 6700rpm-8000rpm. And 156lb/tq at 5100rpm. The motor wanted to keep reving but stopped because it was so flat and no need. There is still more in it. Once it hits about 5000rpm it just takes off like a rocket. I have a dyno chart that I will try to post.
There are some idle issues that need to be sorted out but all in all very happy. If there are any questions just please ask.
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Default Re: F23a Bottom+ F22a head=202hp

Here is the dyno chart
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Old 06-20-2009, 07:52 PM
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Default Re: F23a Bottom+ F22a head=202hp

impressive, i like. what body are you running this motor in.
Old 06-21-2009, 07:45 AM
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94 accord 4dr
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Default Re: F23a Bottom+ F22a head=202hp

this is very encouraging! i've got a very similar build in the works right now, F23a bottom end w/ F22a head and H23 IM... i've got the added hassel of getting mine to fit into a civic though.

do you have any video or sound clips of the motor? i'm looking forward to hearing mine, but i've still got a lot of work ahead of me. this set-up is the closest to mine i've come across so far.

awesome work!
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Sorry no, but it sounds like a V8. Really lopey idle and has almost no vacuum at idle. It sounds really mean. I will tell you this much it was a bit tricky tuning with that big of a cam.
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**** me in the goat ***. Thats some crazy ****. Rosko is the man, I have one of his IM's on my girls h22 CD7. He does amazing work.
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Default Re: F23a Bottom+ F22a head=202hp

Very Nice! Loving the setup. Pulls strong.
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Pulls like crazy. It pulls so hard and fast from 5-8k rpm that its nut's.
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Default Re: F23a Bottom+ F22a head=202hp

Nice setup...Long live the F!
...and just look at that flat tq curve! I am curious of the intake vacuum levels at higher rpms? There may be an opportunity for more power by removing some more intake (runner) restrictions. Any engine bay shots?
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Thank you for the kind words bisi, I look up to very much and we have spoken a couple of times. I will work on the engine bay shot's. At high RPM the vacuum on the hondata is -1.9 to -1.0. The intake consists of Bpi flow stack, K&N filter, 3" alum. intake tubing, 70mm TB, H23 IM TB opening ported to 70mm inside ported from 8 runners to 4 large ones, The runners are also ported all the way up and have been gasket matched to one of your heat shield IM gaskets.

I'm going to up the Rs*r exhaust to a 3" custom and bigger cat. Any insight that you could give would be wonderful. I welcome your input.....

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not to burst ur bubble but seriously ... 200ish hp with all that work? i do admire using the variety of oem parts for your build ... i must admit i love oem myself
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looks like a future build of mine....But with an H23 head and nitrous!
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Originally Posted by FunnyVictor86
not to burst ur bubble but seriously ... 200ish hp with all that work? i do admire using the variety of oem parts for your build ... i must admit i love oem myself
Keep in mind that stock the F22's put down about 110-115 hp to the wheel. That would mean I gained almost 100hp N/A. B guys are happy with 50-60 hp over stock.
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Default Re: F23a Bottom+ F22a head=202hp

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Keep in mind that stock the F22's put down about 110-115 hp to the wheel. That would mean I gained almost 100hp N/A. B guys are happy with 50-60 hp over stock.
Yeah it doesn't seem like much compared to larger displacement N/A setups, but its still another 100 whp!

I look forward to seeing how much more you can squeeze outta that thing. And to hear what it sounds like.

I'm a V8 and forced induction guy myself, but I'm always interested to see what people can get out of a 4 cyl. with no power adders. No better way to embarrass a V8 driver than to beat him without forced induction or spray.
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I have a couple engine shots but can't post them. If some one wants me to e-mail them the pic's I can.
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Whats the compression ratio with those pistons? I was thinking of just using some off the shelf pistons from wiseco.
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11:1 compression w/ 2 layor OEM ehad gasket. It would be a bit lower with the whole OEM head gasket.
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Hell Ya!!!

I'm Impressed. I bet that transmission feels great! I going to run a H22 trans with the F22 Differential and 5th gear. Have any traction problems? Id love to see a video!
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Default Re: F23a Bottom+ F22a head=202hp

Originally Posted by Bisimoto
Nice setup...Long live the F!
...and just look at that flat tq curve! I am curious of the intake vacuum levels at higher rpms? There may be an opportunity for more power by removing some more intake (runner) restrictions. Any engine bay shots?
Or a different intake manifold
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Traction isn't to bad. If I'm really on it in 1st aand shift really hard to 2nd it will brake the tires loose for a good bit.

As far as the IM is conserned, never really thought about it until bisi said something. I may have to look in to a ported S2k IM on a F22a IM flange. But it depends on how well it does after the new exhaust. I already have a new air box on it ready to go.
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W/Bisi's stg 2 cam, H23 IM & crap I/H/E ppl make like 170whp (up from like 100whp stock. not bad at all)... good to see what extra compression + displacement can do. I'm curious to see what a high compression F22A can do with the more streetable stg 2 cam. Somehow I think this motor has a **** more power to be unleashed up top.

Good build though man.
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turbowa dude you're nuts! I like it a lot, must be fun to drive, glad to see you're back in the game.
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wow very nice build
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Default Re: F23a Bottom+ F22a head=202hp

Originally Posted by Turbowa
Traction isn't to bad. If I'm really on it in 1st aand shift really hard to 2nd it will brake the tires loose for a good bit.

As far as the IM is conserned, never really thought about it until bisi said something. I may have to look in to a ported S2k IM on a F22a IM flange. But it depends on how well it does after the new exhaust. I already have a new air box on it ready to go.
also the k series manifolds have the same bore spacing and would be many to choose from. I talked to user:EGHATCH4YA209 who works for qsd and they make a adapter plate for the h series heads to use k series intake manifolds........they are thinking about making one for the f22a sohc heads.....pm him about any intrest.

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