Littlepilot89

Well i must say i never thought i would be considering fixing up my 96' accord seeing how im more of an American muscle kinda guy. but well here i am. its a 96' accord bone stock i have replace both half shafts all o2 sensors. and saddly my check engine light is still on im in processe of fixing that, as well as my SRS light. but my main reason for my post is 2 things. first what should be my first preformence upgrade. and second how hard would it be to replace the stock auto. tranny with a 5 speed. and maybe taking out the 2.2 stock engine and dropping a b engine of some sort in?

TheMuffinMan

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Don't bother with a B series they are torqueless piles of poo if anything you want an H.

99JDMHATCH

I take a offense to that muffin man.

Crono139

Because you don't own a boat.

TheMuffinMan

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Lol, when you have a car that's like 1000 more lbs you can't use a B series.

SneezinCD5

I wouldn't mess with an H, I have never been impressed with them. K series!!

Crono139

Big cost difference.

SneezinCD5

You gotta pay to play

92civlude

Dont feel bad Littlepilot! I used to be a V8 muscle guy too. But my H22 hatch would destroy my 5.0 GT in a drag race.

92civlude

The only thing the K has is the trans gear ratios. alot of K swaps cant keep up with H2B swaps.

TouringAccord

unfortunately the H2B swap doesn't hold any value here in the Accord forum because that doesn't work for our chassis. In the Civic and Integra forums sure, but not here.

949

noob here, but which car does the H series come from?

TouringAccord

in the US? the Prelude

92civlude

Corrrectomundo fine sir! I just had to respond to his H series slam. Setting him up for T2W4 checkmate.

Littlepilot89

well im not just any american muscle guy.....i have diesel in my blood and i love it lol but i also have a deep respect for those who use spark plugs lol. but lets say i want to do the most bang for my buck the car has 180,xxx miles on it what can i do that would blow the fart caned (add your own derogative) out of the water at the stop light but also wont break my wallet, or my high mileage car

tougetuned_ef

your best bet is to find a h22 swap its proly your most cost effective and most commonly done when it comes to a 4cyl in an accord. go on http://www.hmotorsonline.com/shop/sc...Engines&hit=15

the first 4 on the page is what you should be looking for. check out the first one. its the cheapest with a hydro tranny and you can get an lsd for $300 more.

bsivoljr

The B series idea has already been adressed. It's like 1.6 liters? On a 1500 pOUND Car it's fast but on an accord at 2900 to 3200lbs, you'll be stuck in the water without paddles.
You want more displacement. You have quite a few options, You'd have to see which combos, in respect to price and performance are right for you.

F-Series engine which you already have.
People throw aggressive cams at it, along with lower compression pistons and turbo often. From 130hp stock to 300 to 400+ with the motor you already have in the car. Of course a bit of work is required.
Theres also the F20B this EURO R Accord motor. 200hp stock on 5speeds, and 180hp stock on Autos. Nice bump in performance it seems but the motor is only a 2.0 as compared to the 2.2 you have now so I imagine at some the true beauty of the F20b motor cannot be efficiently displayed in the CD5(94-97ACCORD) because of it's weight. But I think it's donor is about the same weight so I don't know maybe it is fast?

Now the infamous H22 Swap. Many people have done it and it has it's pros and cons.
THe goods. LIKE ABOUT A 2.2 LITER JUST LIKE WHAT YOU ALREADY HAVE but way better. I don't fully understand it's build and why it has way more power than an untouched fseries motor. I think maybe a combination of shorter stroke crankshaft, better vtec engagement, and exhaust flow out of the head. Also On average 195hp stock. All of a sudden an accord becomes fast with this motor.
Cons- It has aluminum cylinders which are easier to damage than Iron which the f series motors have so going turbo can become a ticking time bomb.

Next you have the hOTTESt swap today which is the Kseries swaps.
The 02-05 model Accord has a K24a4 motor which is 160hp stock and pretty much your only logical swap as far as the K series go. There's also the Acura TSX which is actually an Accord in Japan! It can be a donor of the k24a2 pretty much the wimpy a4 motor beefed up. 205-210HP stock Beast. The good thing about getting a K series motor is that they are newer engines, so efficiency is not in question. Theres more torque everywhere as they were built much better than previous engines although I do like the prior gen builds, I have busted and Im going Kseries myself. Did I mention they are 2.4liters and can be bored to 2.5 nearly 2.6, but 2.4 is good enough.

Cons-$$$ You have to want more than to just blow someone out of the water to pay the price for a kseries swap. You would not call it a fart can anymore. Besides whats a fart can??? You must have a crappy muffler.

Thats about it. Pretty simple right...?Depends on how much time, money, and mechanical skills you have or are willing to pick up.

P.S. There are also Frankenstein motors. Mixups ex. F23block+h22head=G23 frankenstein motor. 240 hp all motor. Actually cheap about 1300 to 2000 depending on whether you want to be all mr fancy pants with everything fresh out of plastic as opposed to buying a few used parts

Littlepilot89

Well i pretty much know what im doign under the hood so thats no real issue and nether are parts i have a friend who owns a junk/salvage yard. and prolyl has the h22 motor in the yard some where. but do the mounting brackets line up and stuff like that or is there a decent amount of fabrication going into this. and do u buy a new wiring harness or keep old one during the swap?

Crono139

Start reading.

http://importnut.net/h22a_swap.htm

http://www.superhonda.com/forum/f13/...-accord-164067

http://www.accordracing.com/showthread.php?t=7709

EM2Civic

Ummm where do you see that? Haven't see an H make 225whp on i/e/tune ever. FI or NA K is way ahead whens the last time you saw an H with over 300whp n/a? Only thing H has is low price and ease of install that's about it.

TOAB

As for getting it in, I think you just need a prelude drivers side mount... don't quote me on this, I can't remember.

Wiring... well that's something you're going to have to look up.

92civlude

Sorry Bro! D H out in Vegas has an all motor H22 putting 347 to the ground. There is also a 275 car as well. We better take this outside or the moderator will throw us out.

EM2Civic

Dude K series put out 350whp all day, there are some in the 400s. Many 9s n/a Ks. DH in vegas made 347 with what a destroked H or 2.4? Too say a H is superior to a K is just false that's all. The K is lighter, has a better flowing head, bigger displacement options, better tranny ratios, the list goes on. Just letting the guy know the K is better and you can't h2b an accord.

Crono139

h22 kid

https://honda-tech.com/forums/showth...hlight=300+whp
there all over this site just look around