**the official ef suspension thread**

[sw96]

Originally Posted by My_EFsedan 91 civic sedan. 94-01 integra Tein Basic dampers. front all the way down and rear has about 6 coils to turn on the sleeve. front has extended top hats. rears dont have extended hats but when i had it on it looked like this i took it off and notice the gap changes my DC teins with my DA illuminas w/ AI-racing coilovers both with hats Sweet, hows it ride? Any info on the tophats?

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[trevorjohn88ef]

Originally Posted by BiG ChOr!Zo

xFAIL...

Im amazed and sure would like to hear and maybe even see your proof that Tokico HP shocks are OEM replacement and will blow if running slammed

Ive owned two sets of Tokico HP shocks since 2000 and have ran both sets slammed on egay sleeves,cut stock springs,sportline springs and currently running them on Sprint lowering springs with a 2.50F and 2.25R drop and have never blown out shyt.

Unless i've been sipping on a 211 steel reserves dead drunk, please enlighten me with some sort of proof set in stone...!!!

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And yes might shyt runs smooth as butter.

damn youve been running on some serious shittastic setups

but back on topic anything being compressed as much as a normal shock when riding slammed will not give you a smooth ride and any bump bigger then a pebble you will feel it.

[BiG ChOr!Zo]

Originally Posted by trevorjohn88ef

damn youve been running on some serious shittastic setups

but back on topic anything being compressed as much as a normal shock when riding slammed will not give you a smooth ride and any bump bigger then a pebble you will feel it.

the cut springs were horrible but they still didn't blow my shocks out...on another note post bigger pics of chicks in avatar

[EJ1_Sleeper]

for reference guys, the adjustable KYB shocks are AGXs (RED), the GR2s are silver and are a stock replacement.

my set up is KYB AGX shocks all around (all set on 4) with 500f/unknown rears now.

ride quality SUCKS in the rear cause i blew the rear shocks out with the crappy rear springs. Already in the process of picking up either some Ksports, or FF type 1s (dont care much for the adjustability) with 10kf/6kr

My height went from this




to this



to this



I cant go any lower cause of the LS swap. i hit the pulley on the radius rod everyonce in a while still. and the oil pan/tranny clearance just isnt there. im hoping some 15s fix this, cause i just want to get rid of the wheel gap.

[hushypushy]

Originally Posted by BiG ChOr!Zo

Current stance:


From this:


To This:


And yes might shyt runs smooth as butter.

No. The butter up here in Nor Cal must be extremely different than what you eat, because Tokico Blues slammed that low are not going to ride smooth. Maybe if you're on a perfectly smooth road, but I'd like to see you take some bumps. Or a turn for that matter. I've had personal experience with an EF hatch and a CRX on Tokico Blues, riding higher than you, and they both were extremely disappointing. The hatch was ridiculously under-dampened on Neuspeed springs, and the CRX was on Sportlines and it had a ton of body roll and it kept slamming the UCA's into the front fender.

Well, at the very least, thank you for proving my point (shared with treverjohn88ef and alexEF). You've obviously never had anything but extremely cheap, piece of shit suspension setups, therefore you have absolutely no point of reference. It's been 10 years and the nicest suspension piece you've had are Sportline springs? Yikes. Well, at least you removed your bump stops.

Save up your money and buy some Koni Yellows and decent springs, they just might blow your mind.


also, Tokico HP's are not OEM replacements, as they are usually (always?) slightly stiffer than OEM spec. However, they are meant to be used with stock springs or a very mild drop. Once you start dropping it more than 1.5"-2", the ride quality goes to shit. Higher than that, and they actually dampen pretty well.

[BiG ChOr!Zo]

Originally Posted by hushypushy

No. The butter up here in Nor Cal must be extremely different than what you eat, because Tokico Blues slammed that low are not going to ride smooth. Maybe if you're on a perfectly smooth road, but I'd like to see you take some bumps. Or a turn for that matter. I've had personal experience with an EF hatch and a CRX on Tokico Blues, riding higher than you, and they both were extremely disappointing. The hatch was ridiculously under-dampened on Neuspeed springs, and the CRX was on Sportlines and it had a ton of body roll and it kept slamming the UCA's into the front fender.

Well, at the very least, thank you for proving my point (shared with treverjohn88ef and alexEF). You've obviously never had anything but extremely cheap, piece of shit suspension setups, therefore you have absolutely no point of reference. It's been 10 years and the nicest suspension piece you've had are Sportline springs? Yikes. Well, at least you removed your bump stops.

Save up your money and buy some Koni Yellows and decent springs, they just might blow your mind.


also, Tokico HP's are not OEM replacements, as they are usually (always?) slightly stiffer than OEM spec. However, they are meant to be used with stock springs or a very mild drop. Once you start dropping it more than 1.5"-2", the ride quality goes to shit. Higher than that, and they actually dampen pretty well.

que que sounds like your feelings have gotten hurt by your cheap unproven rebuttal with your personal experience on tokico blues...i find it ironic how your too stupid to realize that my original point was for one of your clowns to prove that tokico blues will blow while riding slammed.

where is the pics of your blown tokico shocks in action...where is the youtube video of professor shock master that shows me something to back up your warrantless claims...im just here dying to read and understand your theory and garbage opinion on my particular setup.

i guess to make some idiot like you happy is to go and blow some hefty cash on koni yellows and ground control coilovers to jump on the suspension thread bandwaggon...NOT

until then im still gonna drive on my cheap suspension setup on our beautiful so cal roads and enjoy another year of unblown tokico blue shocks looking in my wallet not bleeding and foaming in the mouth for a $800+ suspension setup on a 18+ year old car

[hushypushy]

1. I didn't argue what you said about them not blowing. If they haven't blown on you, cool. I believe you. Tokico makes a quality product. You're missing the point though: I said they would dampen extremely poorly at such a low height, not blow out. If I remember correctly, you also claimed the ride was "smooth as butter". I disagree.

2. I don't advocate Ground Control/Koni Yellows (a setup I've used on multiple cars btw) to be on any "bandwagon". I advocate it because it's a quality setup that rides and handles well. Much better than your shit springs with basic shocks, I can assure you. How do I know this? Because I've actually tried it. I've had and used every setup from cut springs on stock shocks to Sportlines/Neuspeed/Maxspeed on Tokico Blues to Koni Yellow/GC and Tein/Skunk2/Gab full coilovers.

Your setup doesn't ride smooth. It might ride smooth to you. That's because you don't know any better. Right now on my EG I'm running Skunk2 springs on stock shocks. I just bought this car and I'm looking around for some Koni's. The shocks aren't blown and the ride isn't unbearably bad, I can totally see how someone would cruise around and say that it rides "hella smooth". The problem is, since I drive my car hard and know what kind of dampening I like, I know that it pitches and rolls way too much in the corners and is way too bouncy driving straight on the highway and through the city.

3. What's wrong with putting quality parts on an 18 year old car? Is there an age cutoff where suddenly your car automatically requires shitty parts? by the way, my EF had Ground Controls on Tokico Illuminas, which was an awesome setup. I picked it up for $320, it was between that and a Koni/GC combo for $350. The deals are out there man, you don't have to buy new.

[BiG ChOr!Zo]

1.Smooth as butter was in reference to my current setup which isn't slammed...my old spring setup running on the tokico shock was horrible as i stated above that was due to using a cut egay coilover spring which are stiff enough to begin with...i agree to disagree on your analysis.

2.I have personally driven in vehicles on the gc/koni setup and would say that it was a nice ride but was i blown away NO...do i advocate that they are better then my tokico hp setup more than likely yes in better quality at more expensive prices...im just one person with my personal opinion and any particular ride set up has their positives and negatives with many different opinions...as for your theory as to this being my only shock setup that i have ever owned FALSE...on this particular vehicle that would be yes but i have owned numerous vehicles on different setups with different results...as i recall this discussion was about people bashing on tokico hp shocks and not about which setup rides better than others...i also only use my ed3 sedan as a daily driven vehicle and it would be stupid of me to track a car with a stock d15b2 engine.

3.Their isn't nothing wrong with blowing excessive amounts of money on a 18+ year old vehicle...many people spend the money on them as track vehicles that never see the light of day without everyday driving...then their are those like myself who would rather spend that amount of money on my lowrider then on a daily driven vehicle that has a 90% chance of getting stolen in california.

I agree that their are plenty of other setups to be bought at used discount prices which are more better then my setup as a daily driver but do i really care NO...im perfectly fine with my decent setup that isn't as to your taste but then again we all have our likes and dislikes.

If you would of noticed the title of this thread specifically relates to being "the official ef suspension thread" and not "the official ef suspension opinion thread"

BiG ChOr!Zo

[661rex89si]

i dont see nothing wrong with tokico blues for daily driver. in fact i think its funny when i see hardparkers with expensive suspensions set-up's and never track there car. im currently on tokico blue's and egay coilover sleeves dropped 3 inches. then again i followed this write up http://www.d-series.org/forums/suspe...psychoboy.html and since then i cant complain. its just a daily driver with no aspiration to track until next season so i don't see nothing wrong. i also have never blown tokico blues at all.


though at the moment i will admit i plan to upgrade come tax time to koni yellows and hypercoil coilover sleeves with custom rates. i plan to do a couple autox events and some hpde days until the drag season starts back up again.

[lunalink]

lol..im running tokico blues..

yet again i haven't driven it lol..

who cares about what suspension is better than others..this is "the official ef suspension thread" not "your suspension is crap, my setup is better" people ride on what they want to spend/ can afford..

not everyone is obsessed with suspension setups, i know im not i only bought these beacause they were cheap, and i had them on my old rex and i liked the ride here in CALI..

so really who cares..

[89dxcivic]

^^ and thats word.
any usefull insight from either side could have been interpreted by each 2nd post.Take it to the pms.

[alexEF]

lets drink to that!




good discussion anyway

[~sp33~]

Tein Super Streets.

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[trevorjohn88ef]

Originally Posted by ~sp33~

Tein Super Streets.

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i like it

quick question, i heard teins are overated. how do you like yours and how did you weigh your other options in the same price range?

[89dxcivic]

^^ Damn thats nice! Dying to see that sedan on the floor.

[~sp33~]

Originally Posted by trevorjohn88ef

i like it

quick question, i heard teins are overated. how do you like yours and how did you weigh your other options in the same price range?

They're ok. I don't really have much experience with other options within the price range though, for the money there wasn't alot suprisingly. There was a Tein supplier locally, which is why i went with them over perhaps more popular coilovers. The cost of shipping from America would have made whatever other option not so appealing. Couple of things i don't like about them, they don't go low enough, and they're quite soft.

Apart from that the ride is nearly stock comparable. Great for street use, and light track use.

Also the coilovers i needed weren't the popular fork type on most 89-91 EF's, i had to get the eyelet type.

[96gts4.6l]

All this talk about the Tockico blues not being good for lowered vehicles, what about the Illuminas (the 5 ways adj)? Mine seems to ride extremely well with the Neuspeed Race springs....

[efjones9]

I'd spend 800$on suspension on my 18 year old baby! She is worth it haha. Remeber dude, this is a hobby an expensive hobby lol

Btw nice set up 96gts4.6l
1990 Honda CRX HF - 264K on chassis and ~100k on engine, 40mpg (1/8th mile - 9.9 @ 70mph)Mods: ZC SOHC 1.6L, Si trans, Megan 4-2-1 header, HKS Sport exhaust w/ no cat, K&N drop-in, rear Si disc brakes

[mitsubishiv5]

well i ran through a few suspension setups:

when i first got my sedan i went straight to the good shit. bought a set of function and form type one coilovers: This rode super dumped and rode like freakin mercedes. Only thing i can complain about was the soft rear springs, but of course i messed with the preload on the rear. Id say it couldve gone lower all together but just the fact of blowing up some expensive coilovers ran through my mind. spent around 650.00 a few months ago brand new.... but then i sold them for 300 to my friend so i could by my Axis og sans

pretty damn low, still wasnt able to tuck much of the 50 series in cause not enough camber. rode so smooth you wouldnt believe.



not slammed here, but pretty low. ran great.

then i had a kaminari aero kit, sold it, but still not slammed, didnt crack the fiberglass either cause the car never bounced. absorbed the bumps and cracks just like stock would


After the function and forms i ran, Stock DC struts on cut coilover springs with extended tophats. Ran like shit and arms were hitting my chassis nonstop. Of course this sat alot lower than my current setup, i had to change over my ef arms, to DC to run this suspension setup. still handeled good, but bounced alot.




my homies hatch is running skunk 2 sport shocks with ground control coilover sleeves on stock tophats. takes beast ass turns, handels likes a champ.


Current setup Is Delsol Omnipower full coilovers With custom extended tophats in the front, with preload on stiff. Rides awesome aside from my UCA hitting my chassis. The arms are resting on my chassis in this picture. Handels so beautiful, can whip turns and still wont oversteer/understeer.



IDK what shes running but, i want some of that suspension too:

HAHA

[lunalink]

what are the benefits with extended top hats?

[mitsubishiv5]

extended shock travel. You increase the shock travel by placing the actual mounting point upwards.

[lunalink]

^ so you would have to adjust the coils all the way down?

lol..i'm a noob when it comes to suspension..

[hushypushy]

Originally Posted by 96gts4.6l

All this talk about the Tockico blues not being good for lowered vehicles, what about the Illuminas (the 5 ways adj)? Mine seems to ride extremely well with the Neuspeed Race springs....

The Illuminas are great. If you're running Neuspeed Race, which are pretty stiff, you should set your shocks at max stiffness. With my Ground Controls (350/250) I had them set all the way to stiff, and it was very nice.

[mitsubishiv5]

Originally Posted by lunalink

^ so you would have to adjust the coils all the way down?

lol..i'm a noob when it comes to suspension..

basically. since your struts mount higher you can adjust your coils lower and still ride smooth and still maintain proper shock travel. You can just search extended tophats on Honda-tech. There are diagrams of what it does and what not to do.

btw : Spacers on your supsension doesnt help shock travel.

you can also add extended tophats to any suspension setup as long as you change out the little bearing/washer over from your coilovers/ shocks so they can slide into place.

here are some pics:

[lunalink]

^ooooooooooOOOOooooh!

lol..i guess thats what im going to be doing next

thanx for short lesson..