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DonF · 01-29-2009, 03:17 PM

Well, i did some header testing, lost the first draft, but will try again. As usual different engines, cams , intakes vary the results.
The first engine was a 95 stroker with ITB's and cams with too much duration for the rev range i like with a 95mm crank "8400"
I used Rage big tubes and Kidd narrows. The kidd headers made more TQ and power to 7600, the Rage made more above that. I was hoping to run the skunk headers on that engine also. Not to be. I had to run all 3 on a good 2.0 that was here.
A few notes before hand. Quality. The Rage and kidd seem similar, but Kidd's seem a little better in materials, the Skunk quality beat both of them, as it should costing more, but you do get to see what you pay for, better welds and thicker "better' tubing.
Checked the ground clearance, Rage is the worst, the skunk has a bit more than 3/8 better cl., and the Kidd about a 1/4 in more than the Skunk.
In performance the Skunks were quite a bit better on the 2.0. Max was 9BHP at 6000 and 3BHP @ 8400. Both the Skunks and Rage had dios in the curve, the Rage was worse.
From a general ranking the Skunk headers won, Kidds were 2nd, and rage 3rd.
I am hoping to be able to post some dyno gragh pics, as the printer has gone the way of the economy.

The black line is the Skunk header, bright red the Rage big tube, lite red the Kidd narrow, on a 2.0 with Pro3's punp gas 11.7-1

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1.5Slowmatic · 01-29-2009, 03:30 PM

hmmm interesting results, surprised at how well the skunk did, thanks for the results

DonF · 01-29-2009, 03:35 PM

Trying to get a bigger image.

This is the2.1 grapf.
Lite red "highlited" being the kidd headers. VS the Rage

namewasdallas · 01-29-2009, 03:43 PM

that replica narrow seems to be a great bang for the buck i got one to dyno on a bolt on b16 come spring. Glad i got mine

The Sword · 01-29-2009, 03:49 PM

Thanks for the info Don. if you continue to be nice, i wont have to marry your d

aughter.

you showed your manliness by referring to red and pink as "red and light red". nice touch.

i take it the skunk2 might not be a great header for a 1797cc motor with little cams...

1.5Slowmatic · 01-29-2009, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by namewasdallas

that replica narrow seems to be a great bang for the buck i got one to dyno on a bolt on b16 come spring. Glad i got mine

agreed for the money the kidd headers are nice

DonF · 01-29-2009, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Sword

Thanks for the info Don. if you continue to be nice, i wont have to marry your d

aughter.

you showed your manliness by referring to red and pink as "red and light red". nice touch.

i take it the skunk2 might not be a great header for a 1797cc motor with little cams...

LOL My daughter being independant and has an IQ higher than dirt, I know that ain't going to happen.
I know you like "pink" that is why i refrained from your favorite color referance.
Send me a motor, all the headers you want, and a check, I will give you the answers.
A 2.0 seems to be the most popular, that was why i did the test on that.
For you 1.8 with mild cams, just get a DC or JDM "R".

VtecKiDD · 01-29-2009, 04:17 PM

Thanks for the test Don, i thank you for your time and your review.

Im happy where we came out, i expected the Skunk header to be better and it definetly is a nicer piece. But i would expect it to be because of its price tag.

I figured as long as i was around the $400-450 header market range in terms of power and performance, id be happy, looks like im smack dab in the middle.

Congrats to Skunk2, another nice product from them

The Sword · 01-29-2009, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonF

LOL My daughter being independant and has an IQ higher than dirt, I know that ain't going to happen.
I know you like "pink" that is why i refrained from your favorite color referance.
Send me a motor, all the headers you want, and a check, I will give you the answers.
A 2.0 seems to be the most popular, that was why i did the test on that.
For you 1.8 with mild cams, just get a DC or JDM "R".

Don. you just hate me because i didnt call you back the next morning.

Furyof4 · 01-29-2009, 05:35 PM

Thank you for the test Don.

Glad to see a dyno comparo using a skunk.

JDM JEFFREY · 01-29-2009, 05:50 PM

good test

Combustion Contraption · 01-29-2009, 05:53 PM

Good info DonF. Thanks for sharing with HT.

Lets get the ball rolling on our little project.

pr0honda · 01-29-2009, 06:15 PM

one day that 2.0 dyno mule might actually move a car...

haha but hey it made 270hp..

hey vteckidd since ive been so generous with lending my engine for so many header test you should drive down to jacksonville and install my engine in my crx and do some wiring for me.. ha

shawn

Agnom · 01-29-2009, 06:50 PM

Wow! Skunk2 made a lot more torque. Thanks for the test DonF.

clean rice · 01-29-2009, 07:05 PM

I'm actually very surprised at the results the S2 manifold turned out. Wow.

The Sword · 01-29-2009, 07:08 PM

anyone have pics of the skunk2?

DonF · 01-29-2009, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Sword

anyone have pics of the skunk2?

I think Skunk does on there website.
The sequential firing did suprise me also, But SMSP has been saying the the same for years.
The dip is intake length, i ran the longest that would fit with the hood closed.

pr0honda · 01-29-2009, 07:30 PM

haha oh and I'm the only guy donf worried about seeing his daughter.. lol i knew better though..

shawn

clean rice · 01-29-2009, 07:58 PM

S2 header, I like it!

ALLxMOTOR EG · 01-29-2009, 08:11 PM

good info.

vivid 02 · 01-29-2009, 09:05 PM

Thanks for keeping us informed on this header test.

98vtec · 01-29-2009, 09:06 PM

im surprised you figured out how to post a picture.

DonF · 01-29-2009, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 98vtec

im surprised you figured out how to post a picture.

I had to have Turbo do it. He said he would teach me to scale the pic's tommorow. He did say Hi though.

4g hatch · 01-30-2009, 06:48 AM

tell turbo to put that nice pic you have of him being "happy" as your avitar,if he approves of course.
also don isnt affraid of the color pink he painted my shortblock that color

DonF · 01-30-2009, 12:26 PM

Black is Skunk, Brite red Rage, dark red Kidd Koppies. The 2 blue and black lines are BHP.

Inew Turbs would figure it out.

01-29-2009, 03:35 PM	#3
DonF Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Atl. Beach, fl, duval Posts: 5,197	Re: some header tests Trying to get a bigger image. This is the2.1 grapf. Lite red "highlited" being the kidd headers. VS the Rage Last edited by DonF; 01-29-2009 at 04:20 PM.

01-29-2009, 03:43 PM	#4
namewasdallas Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Malta, ny, USA Posts: 589	Re: some header tests that replica narrow seems to be a great bang for the buck i got one to dyno on a bolt on b16 come spring. Glad i got mine

01-29-2009, 03:49 PM	#5
The Sword Banne*d Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 327	Re: some header tests Thanks for the info Don. if you continue to be nice, i wont have to marry your daughter. you showed your manliness by referring to red and pink as "red and light red". nice touch. i take it the skunk2 might not be a great header for a 1797cc motor with little cams...

01-29-2009, 04:17 PM	#8
VtecKiDD H-T Basic Sponsor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: atlanta, ga, usa Posts: 5,319	Re: some header tests Thanks for the test Don, i thank you for your time and your review. Im happy where we came out, i expected the Skunk header to be better and it definetly is a nicer piece. But i would expect it to be because of its price tag. I figured as long as i was around the $400-450 header market range in terms of power and performance, id be happy, looks like im smack dab in the middle. Congrats to Skunk2, another nice product from them __________________ KiddRACING Production Headers- Best in the Business! Vteckidd@gmail.com -B Series Narrow Race Header -H22 Tri-Y and H22 Drag Header -K20 RSX, K20 Swap HeaderVer 2.0, 06-08 Si Header

01-29-2009, 05:35 PM	#10
Furyof4 Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: SE, PA, usa Posts: 1,420	Re: some header tests Thank you for the test Don. Glad to see a dyno comparo using a skunk.

01-29-2009, 05:50 PM	#11
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01-29-2009, 06:15 PM	#13
pr0honda Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: middleburg, florida, usa Posts: 570	Re: some header tests one day that 2.0 dyno mule might actually move a car... haha but hey it made 270hp.. hey vteckidd since ive been so generous with lending my engine for so many header test you should drive down to jacksonville and install my engine in my crx and do some wiring for me.. ha shawn __________________ DFE enterprises fully built race engines and cylinder heads contact don flores (donf) on the board.

01-29-2009, 06:50 PM	#14
Agnom Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Mobile, AL, US Posts: 193	Re: some header tests Wow! Skunk2 made a lot more torque. Thanks for the test DonF.

01-29-2009, 07:05 PM	#15
clean rice Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: GO PACKERS Posts: 6,175	Re: some header tests I'm actually very surprised at the results the S2 manifold turned out. Wow. __________________ Rocket Motorsports and MFactory dealer. *Rest in peace Gramma...*

01-29-2009, 07:08 PM	#16
The Sword Banne*d Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 327	Re: some header tests anyone have pics of the skunk2?

01-29-2009, 07:30 PM	#18
pr0honda Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: middleburg, florida, usa Posts: 570	Re: some header tests haha oh and I'm the only guy donf worried about seeing his daughter.. lol i knew better though.. shawn __________________ DFE enterprises fully built race engines and cylinder heads contact don flores (donf) on the board.

01-29-2009, 07:58 PM	#19
clean rice Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: GO PACKERS Posts: 6,175	Re: some header tests S2 header, I like it! __________________ Rocket Motorsports and MFactory dealer. *Rest in peace Gramma...*

01-29-2009, 08:11 PM	#20
ALLxMOTOR EG Vietnamese! Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 9,941	Re: some header tests good info.

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98vtec Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: RealHomeMadeTurbo Posts: 14,228	Re: some header tests im surprised you figured out how to post a picture.

01-30-2009, 06:48 AM	#24
4g hatch Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: back woods, va, usa Posts: 2,200	Re: some header tests tell turbo to put that nice pic you have of him being "happy" as your avitar,if he approves of course. also don isnt affraid of the color pink he painted my shortblock that color __________________ "whatever you do today,you have to sleep with tonight". quote: arron tippen "If you do not trust your builder, do not use him. If you do trust him, do not second guess him with internet opinions". quote: don f VOUCHES IN BIO

01-30-2009, 12:26 PM	#25
DonF Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Atl. Beach, fl, duval Posts: 5,197	Re: some header tests Black is Skunk, Brite red Rage, dark red Kidd Koppies. The 2 blue and black lines are BHP. Inew Turbs would figure it out. Last edited by DonF; 01-30-2009 at 01:30 PM.

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