575 WHP s2000... STOCK BLOCK

[turbociv910]

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[S2KFTW]

Originally Posted by turbociv910

thanks, we appreciate it!

More boost Coming soon with 5 bar map sensor!

how much power are you aiming for once the bigger MAP is in?

[jwa4378]

In case anyone was wondering, HondaTech moderator Mase put down 601rwhp on a completely stock engine (intake manifold included). The vehicle had 125k miles on it at the time. I believe they were just going to push it, until their new engine came in from Laskey... They never ended up breaking it... I believe it was around 22psi, GT35r, Mase Engineering kit, 1200cc injectors (I believe).
http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php...ic=568314&st=0

John

[turbociv910]

22psi at 507 is that what thread says

[91TurboGSRCRX]

Originally Posted by jwa4378

In case anyone was wondering, HondaTech moderator Mase put down 601rwhp on a completely stock engine (intake manifold included). The vehicle had 125k miles on it at the time. I believe they were just going to push it, until their new engine came in from Laskey... They never ended up breaking it... I believe it was around 22psi, GT35r, Mase Engineering kit, 1200cc injectors (I believe).
http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php...ic=568314&st=0

John

This is true

[Mase]

Originally Posted by turbociv910

22psi at 507 is that what thread says

no, 22psi it made 601. (race gas)


it made 500 on pump gas, i cant remember what boost level, i think a bar.


P.S. That stock 125,000 mile engine did over 100 dyno pulls. 90% of them were over 400 whp. That same engine was pushed on the street for a period as well. These stock engines are very strong.

[turbociv910]

wow, thats very strong^

[ExVtec]

Originally Posted by Mase

no, 22psi it made 601. (race gas)


it made 500 on pump gas, i cant remember what boost level, i think a bar.


P.S. That stock 125,000 mile engine did over 100 dyno pulls. 90% of them were over 400 whp. That same engine was pushed on the street for a period as well. These stock engines are very strong.

Was it a completely stock motor, or was h/g?

[3minburnout]

would also like to know but since "P.S. That stock 125,000 mile engine did over 100 dyno pulls. 90% of them were over 400 whp. That same engine was pushed on the street for a period as well. These stock engines are very strong." I assume it was all stock but just would like to make sure.

[jwa4378]

It was a completely stock motor, oil pan to valve cover. Stock compresson and everything.

Mase - Are you still tuning out of Stage6? My install should be done completely this weekend. We got the Laskey motor in before xmas. Now its just the boost controller, oil pressure sensor, and EGT sensor that ned wiring up.

I will call your cell when everything is up and running, and I am available for a trip to Jacksonvlle. I just found where I had your number written down at work.

John

[kutsujus2k]

never cracked open oem motor! stock head gasket to stock head studs!

I'll be pushing the stock motor with a s372r in a couple week's.

[Ben-NSI]

I'm sorry I have to call BS (I know I will probably get flamed to hell since I don't have the honda-tech rep of Mase) but it is physically impossible for those numbers to be correct. At 22psi even assuming an ideal pressure ratio to make 600 crank horsepower you would be so far off the side of the compressor map. Not to mention the car has a 2.5" downpipe. I am running 26psi on a bigger turbo with a nicer manifold, custom intake manifold bigger intercooler, higher reading dyno, better fuel, and a 4" downpipe, and no air filter. Not only are the A and X factors not shown (I used to use a DD) but the dyno graph goes to 9600rpms... I'm pretty sure it would have dropped a valve. On the far left side of a GT35r's compressor map at a 2.6 pressure ratio (assuming 14.7 inlet pressure) you would have 60lb/hr of airflow which in an ideal world equates to approximately 550 crank horsepower. With a 2.5" downpipe and a stock intake manifold (not to mention a pressure drop at the inlet) you wouldn't be that high.

I admit that a dynojet reads high which makes my numbers slightly inflated but with a DD with no X factor and a proper A factor there is no way an S2000 with a 35R makes that much power without nitrous or a lot more boost and a bigger downpipe.

[jwa4378]

Ben-

I would be careful of who you call BS on. I saw the car in person, and it was a stock engine/HG when I was there... I doubt he setup the dyno parameters incorrectly... The revs may be a bit off, but not by much (I think OEM fuel cutoff is 9200... I think).

My car made 197rwhp on the same dyno, NA with a tuned VAFCII (w/ a 189rwhp baseline, which is about right for a MY00/01 on a dynodynamics).

I would like to see Mase's response. I know he custom designed the manifold / turbo / smaller downpipe combo for a reason... (other than to clear the EPS on RHD cars). I did not understand it at the time, and I still do not, but apparently a bigger downpipe is not always better...

Check out his website...
http://www.maseengineering.com/

John

[Ben-NSI]

My guess would be fitment i believe the car was rhd so he would have had to clear the steering rack. I know who I am calling out and how good of a reputation he has. I am sure he is a good tuner, but I am also sure what he is claiming is not possible. A bigger downpipe is not always better because sometimes going to big (if your not flowing enough air) will cause a rapid drop in velocity and actually create back pressure. This absolutely is not the car at 600whp some extremely simple math that I will post up when i get a chance will prove that.

[jwa4378]

Yeah, I know you know your stuff, as I have seen pics of your setup... But then again I have seen Mase put up numbers I thought were impossible.

Mase probably has more info to back up the numbers, though...

John

[Ben-NSI]

WOT tuning is very simple. If you think the number is impossible it probably is, in my case (and I'm sure Mase's) with the fuel I am using I can advance the timing untill the car actually starts loosing power instead of knocking. I use a device called "the knock box" to listen for knock real time. Most any tuner like myself or Mase would end up with the exact same peak power number for any given setup, the difference in the tune would be the part throttle drivability, fuel economy, safety, and added features. There is no black magic that will allow one tuner to extract significantly more power than another, If your not reaching the same number on the same setup then your simply doing something wrong.

I'm not saying Mase is lying, maybe the AT sensor was laying on something hot by accident, maybe his X factor is turned up and he doesn't know it, but something is wrong with that graph (not to mention the gear ratio has to be wrong or he has a built head).

[kutsujus2k]

Its very believeable. My gt35r, full-race manifold, 3 inch downpipe with full exhaust, stock motor/head gasket made 543 at 18psi.

[joey1320]

Originally Posted by turbociv910

its ethanol with some "secret" stuff mixed in, its about 50-50 with the custom blend

Muuuaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaha

i hate it when people used the word "secret" to describe anything they have done to their cars... is so fcuking stupid, who cares what you did just post it or get out...

[Ben-NSI]

on the highest possible correction factor. Mase's dyno should be reading almost 20% lower than your graph of a dynojet on STD correction not to mention you have a 42% larger downpipe in terms of cross sectional area.

that would put you at around 440 on mase's dyno (not counting the reduction from a 2.5" downpipe)...

I make 600whp on STD correction, I will be testing a Garrett turbo out shortly and I expect to see some significant gains but no where in the range that those numbers would lead me to believe

I didn't call it "secret" but I'm also 100% confident I am the only one using this fuel... maybe that's why my numbers are lower than expected I'm no chemist. I'll have to try some C16 next time on the dyno.

[jwa4378]

FWIW, Mase's dyno read about 17rwhp lower than the local DynoJet224 for my car... Same setup. 197rwhp vs. 215rwhp.

And if your fuel is not as high of an octane, that might explain the power difference. I see a huge jump on Mase's tune from pump to race gas.... 507---> 601.

John

[91TurboGSRCRX]

Originally Posted by Ben-NSI

I'm sorry I have to call BS (I know I will probably get flamed to hell since I don't have the honda-tech rep of Mase) but it is physically impossible for those numbers to be correct. At 22psi even assuming an ideal pressure ratio to make 600 crank horsepower you would be so far off the side of the compressor map. Not to mention the car has a 2.5" downpipe. I am running 26psi on a bigger turbo with a nicer manifold, custom intake manifold bigger intercooler, higher reading dyno, better fuel, and a 4" downpipe, and no air filter. Not only are the A and X factors not shown (I used to use a DD) but the dyno graph goes to 9600rpms... I'm pretty sure it would have dropped a valve. On the far left side of a GT35r's compressor map at a 2.6 pressure ratio (assuming 14.7 inlet pressure) you would have 60lb/hr of airflow which in an ideal world equates to approximately 550 crank horsepower. With a 2.5" downpipe and a stock intake manifold (not to mention a pressure drop at the inlet) you wouldn't be that high.

I admit that a dynojet reads high which makes my numbers slightly inflated but with a DD with no X factor and a proper A factor there is no way an S2000 with a 35R makes that much power without nitrous or a lot more boost and a bigger downpipe.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/M...-ST_152693.htm here is a video link,nicer manifold hahahahahahaha

[Ben-NSI]

I can make a video of my car making a "1000hp" dyno pull too. I'm not saying I make the best manifolds ever or that Mase can't make a better one but I have an equal length 321ss tube (not pipe) truly divided manifold with a burns T4 divided collector and dual wastegates I doubt your going to say it's not a nicer manifold.

[91TurboGSRCRX]

To each his own opinion.But we made 601whp with a bone stock motor .Dont believe us i dont care.Thumbup

[turbociv910]

sounds weak for that amount of "whp", does not even break them loose in third.

[91TurboGSRCRX]

boost by gear!