peakaboost

anyone using the garrett t3/t04r (non-BB) on their honda? what the spool time like? im thinking of slapping it on my built ls-v and shooting for mid 600+,but dont want to have a insane spool time. want to stay journal bearing for the cost,but if nessissary,ill consider going BB.

blinx9900

I'm a Garrett man but if you wanna stay journal bearing look at the BorgWarner camp, possibly the sickest journal bearing turbo's! sorry i have no info on spool up for that particular turbo. but posting your displacement and other mods should help others give you a good answer.

peakaboost

2.0L LS block (84mm)
8.5:1 wiseco pistons
GSR head
pro1 cams
1mm oversized intake valves (standard valves,not flat face)

TheShodan

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Even with that displacement, maximum pressure is typically reached by about 4600rpms with the T3/T67/T04R. I've found that the T3 BW S362 can do over 600whp no problem with maximum pressure by about 4300rpms or so. For over 700whp, look to the S366 in a T3 configuration.

peakaboost

ah the man with the master plan...theshodan,first off thanks for the reply man. i was actually hoping you would chime in

really 4600? non ball bearing? i just took my t3/60-1 off my car and that spooled around that time,maybe even a couple hundred rpm later. i would think the 04r would be more....

Also,im definatly going witht he .82 a/r exhaust,but should i stay stage 3 wheel,or go with the 5? and how much will it effect spool time?

To add,i am shooting for currently low to mid 600+ whp,but when i get around to an external/dual internal fuel pumps,i want high 6's,low 7's

SpoolnG2

The Borg Warner T3 S362ett is what your looking for my friend. Get the .70a/r with the v-band housing. Buy it right now and dont ever look back.

TheShodan

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by peakaboost &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ah the man with the master plan...theshodan,first off thanks for the reply man. i was actually hoping you would chime in

really 4600? non ball bearing? i just took my t3/60-1 off my car and that spooled around that time,maybe even a couple hundred rpm later. i would think the 04r would be more....

Also,im definatly going witht he .82 a/r exhaust,but should i stay stage 3 wheel,or go with the 5? and how much will it effect spool time?

To add,i am shooting for currently low to mid 600+ whp,but when i get around to an external/dual internal fuel pumps,i want high 6's,low 7's</TD></TR></TABLE>

You can't use the same A/R numbers b/w Garrett & BW housings. The math is the same , but the sizes of the volutes of the turbine housings are different, hence different numbers.

For 600whp, the stageIII is beyond done. (Honestly, they're not efficient past about 450whp or so). The S362 turbine wheel that SpoolG2 is talking about uses an exhaust wheel even larger than a stage 5 or P-trim that Garrett uses on their T3/T04R. You can even have the S362 in a cover that is slightly smaller than an S-cover, to allow A/C. Only the .70A/R T3 comes in a 3" v-band, and not the "unique" 3.25" V-band that the T4 divided versions use.

TheShodan

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by peakaboost &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ah the man with the master plan...theshodan,first off thanks for the reply man. i was actually hoping you would chime in

really 4600? non ball bearing? i just took my t3/60-1 off my car and that spooled around that time,maybe even a couple hundred rpm later. i would think the 04r would be more....
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Like I said, it's more "typical". Anywhere b/w about 4600-5000. But by that time, unless I have a turbo impeller Rpm Gauge, it wouldn't really make a difference.

http://www.turbobygarrett.com/...html#

peakaboost

if i got the t3/t04r with the .63 a/r exhaust housing with either the stage 5 or p trim wheel,will it support above 600whp?

SpoolnG2

If you want to go that route, i'd get the .82 a/r with the P trim turbine wheel since your wanting power over 600. If you have the cash to spend, go with the Borg though. Their journal bearing technology is the best around. They spool very similar to ball bearing turbos, just without the coolant lines. Not to mention it makes the coolest whistling noise ever. haha

TheShodan

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Most distributors and makers of these do not use a P-trim exhaust wheel in a .63 housing, due to the fact that there is additional machining involved, so there may be an additional cost.

The Borg-warner also has lower IATs for the same amount of boost as the T3/T67/T04R does. For the goals you're looking for, I'd use the S362 or S366 any day over the T67/T04R due to its efficiency.

rudebwoy

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wait a couple of days and I will let you know.
I just started to install my peakboost topmount kit with a t3/t04R big kahuna turbo, it has a 63AR turbine housing with a P trim wheel, and 70 ar compressor housing.
I ask for the best setup without going BB and Ken recomends the 63 with ptrim. very nice turbo, I can't wait to run it, I am changing from a sc61 to this. I hope it will reach full boost around 5000rpm, I anything earlier and I won't get off the line in time.

SpoolnG2

2-step

peakaboost

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rudebwoy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wait a couple of days and I will let you know.
I just started to install my peakboost topmount kit with a t3/t04R big kahuna turbo, it has a 63AR turbine housing with a P trim wheel, and 70 ar compressor housing.
I ask for the best setup without going BB and Ken recomends the 63 with ptrim. very nice turbo, I can't wait to run it, I am changing from a sc61 to this. I hope it will reach full boost around 5000rpm, I anything earlier and I won't get off the line in time.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah i called ken too and asked basically what you asked. I said i wanted to stay journal bearing and all that. He also directed me to the .63a/r exhaust with the p trim wheel. so DEFINATLY let me know how yours does. I just ditched the t3/60-1 on my set up and going to run the t3/t04r now. so definatly let me know how it does man.

TheShodan

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That's good that Ken isn't requiring an additional cost in the .63 A/R P-trim.

But I'll say this, I'll take a 80mm wheel diameter(BW) over 74.77 wheel diameter(P-trim) in my exhaust wheel to hit that power any day.

Good luck with whichever you decide.

peakaboost

TheShodan,do you sell BW? or know a site where a can look at some?

TheShodan

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PM'd

SpoolnG2

I've used garrett, turbonetics, precision, and now borg warner....and I will say that I will now never use anything but a BW. The lower IATs, more efficient wheels, spool of a BB without the water lines, and not to mention cool whistling. Haha....

peakaboost

i dont get how just a turbo can give cooler IAT over another turbo...can someone explain this?

TheShodan

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This is where the extended tips of the compressor wheel and the design of the compressor cover come in more than anything. I'll show you the quick & the dead picture.

Below are 2 50 "trim" turbos. The one on the left is the Borg-Warner, the one on the right is the Garrett. Both have the same size inducer. The difference is the fact that the extended tip helps with additional CFM volume of air at the same impeller speed (theoretically) as the Garrett. This seems to help with lower IATs, to allow more boost to be used and make greater power. I'll see if I can send some more literature, but best bet is to search google for Extended Tip Technology.

DC-2uned

You don't need an engineering degree to see that ^ pic speaks for itself in terms of what will have a larger, more efficient map.

TheShodan

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DC-2uned &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You don't need an engineering degree to see that ^ pic speaks for itself in terms of what will have a larger, more efficient map.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Exactly.

rudebwoy

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just got off the streets testing the turbo.
I saw 18 psi at 4500rpm, 2.0l ls vtec, crower turbo cams . thats perfect spool up in my opinion, 200 rpm earlier is not worth the price of a ball bearing.
pics:

96 GSR-T

A T3/T04R (aka GT37R) is a Ball Bearing Turbo, what you are refering to is just a T3/T67 HO.

I have the BB version of this turbo and I am completely satisfied with its spool and responce, car builds 30psi under 6k on a GSR cammed 1.8L, makes damn near 300whp/300tq at 5200 rpm on my setup. A friend is running the Stg5 wheel version non-bb on his 2.0L and his car spools the **** out of that turbo too.

TheShodan

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Very nice, indeed. Where did you get the turbo blanket?