GM putting Honda J35 engine in Saturns - Honda-Tech

JoePSI · 10-17-2006, 07:12 AM

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The J35 displaced 3.5 L (3471 cc) and is an SOHC VTEC design. Bore is 89 mm and stroke is 93.2 mm. Output was 210 hp for the J35A1 and 265 hp (198 kW) and 253 ft·lbf (343 N·m) for the J35A3.

The new J35 used in the Acura RL produces 290 hp (224 kW) at 6200 rpm and 256 ft·lbf (347 N·m) at 5000 rpm. This engine was on the Ward's 10 Best Engines list for 2005.

The J35A91 used in the Honda Ridgeline produces 247 hp (184 kW) at 5750 rpm and 245 ft·lbf (332 N·m) at 4500 rpm.

The J35 is also used by General Motors in the Saturn VUE, though GM refers to it as the L66.

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Originally Posted by Wikipedia

The L66 is an OEM V6 engine built by Honda but sold by General Motors in the Saturn VUE SUV. The L66 was acquired as part of a swap with Honda, who received the Circle L 1.7 L Diesel straight-4 for use in European Civics.

It is a 3.5 L (3471 cc) SOHC V6 with VTEC Variable Valve Timing and is made by Honda in Marysville, Ohio. The same engine, the J35A3 is used in Honda's Acura MDX SUV. It is built at Honda's Anna, Ohio engine plant. It is interesting to note that the parts content sticker on the 3.5 L VUE states the country of origin to be Japan for both the engine and transmission.

In the VUE, the engine produces 250 hp (186 kW) and 242 ft·lbf (328 N·m).

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The Circle L is an automobile engine produced by Isuzu Motors Polska in Poland. It is a 1.7 L (1686 cc) Diesel straight-4 originally designed by Isuzu but now owned by General Motors. The engine is used in Europe by GM's Opel subsidiary and by Honda.

Not sure if this is a repost. And yes this is old news...
I found it interesting, a honda engine in saturns... who are notorious for being shitty cars.

Cliff: General motors bought rights to the J35 engine. In exchange Honda bought rights to the Circle L diesel engine, that is in some European Civics. General motors puts engine in saturn vue....

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-Gary- · 10-17-2006, 07:16 AM

Yeah it would be the only reason I would even consider a Saturn.

Got_soy · 10-17-2006, 07:18 AM

i thought the old Saturn SUVs first had the honda sohc v6 in them and then they went back to the chevy motor, i guess they are going back then?

chunty kevin · 10-17-2006, 07:19 AM

when it finally gets some torque, its not even going into a honda.

DagYo! · 10-17-2006, 07:19 AM

saturns are known for being ugly, but i thought they were pretty reliable.

FalkenSiR · 10-17-2006, 07:24 AM

saturn = gm = unreliable for the most part. I guess they just realized it.

I had heard talks of GM wanting to buy rights for the F22 (sohc accords) but honda didn't want to sell it I guess.

GreenD · 10-17-2006, 07:31 AM

The Vue has had the Pilot engine/tranny for a couple years. I actually like some of the new Saturn designs. (Sky, Aura ,Outlook)

Lewie · 10-17-2006, 07:31 AM

thanks captain obvious!

Rguy · 10-17-2006, 07:32 AM

The sky is very nice. However, they ****ed up on the redline engine already and stopped production for awhile. Not sure if they have figured the problem out yet.

Lewie · 10-17-2006, 07:35 AM

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FYI: wikipedia is not the best place for accurate information

ATYPR · 10-17-2006, 07:36 AM

Why do you think the Vue Redline is so quick?

iLude · 10-17-2006, 07:37 AM

LOL, there's so much hate towards GM on Honda-Tech...

Lewie · 10-17-2006, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Rguy

The sky is very nice. However, they ****ed up on the redline engine already and stopped production for awhile. Not sure if they have figured the problem out yet.

what?

Lewie · 10-17-2006, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by iLude

LOL, there's so much hate towards GM on Honda-Tech...

at least GM's sales didn't fall 6% like Honda and Nissan/Renault last month

Got_soy · 10-17-2006, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Rguy

The sky is very nice. However, they ****ed up on the redline engine already and stopped production for awhile. Not sure if they have figured the problem out yet.

?

Rguy · 10-17-2006, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Lewie

what?

There was a tuning issue with the turbo engines. Just a little bit after release they stopped production to re-tune the engine. Cars were blacking out the bumpers with exhaust fumes/particles.

Got_soy · 10-17-2006, 07:41 AM

so the redline is out?
Edit: i guess so

Lewie · 10-17-2006, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Rguy

There was a tuning issue with the turbo engines. Just a little bit after release they stopped production to re-tune the engine. Cars were blacking out the bumpers with exhaust fumes/particles.

any links? cause this was not on the gm site I frequent, which makes me think it was just a testing issue...and not a production issue

Stroker · 10-17-2006, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by fast95eg8

saturn = gm = unreliable for the most part. I guess they just realized it.

I have had 2 chevy pickups a tahoe and a Denali. Only problems that I ever had were simple things like relay switch in the denali, and a head light problem in one of the p/u.

I curently own the Denail and a recentley purchased like yesterday 07 2500hd duramax and I can honestley say these are GREAT vehicles. 620fp of tourque thank you sir may I have another.

iLude · 10-17-2006, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Lewie

any links? cause this was not on the gm site I frequent, which makes me think it was just a testing issue...and not a production issue

AFAIK, the salesmen always told me the Redline wouldn't be out until Spring 07...

Edit:

What Saturn DID realize is that they're designs were ugly as expletive so they started rebadging Opel/Vauxhalls.

Rguy · 10-17-2006, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Lewie

any links? cause this was not on the gm site I frequent, which makes me think it was just a testing issue...and not a production issue

Do a search for sky redline forums, there is a main one and they have a sticky about it. Can't remember the name of the forum, google it up.

Rguy · 10-17-2006, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by iLude

AFAIK, the salesmen always told me the Redline wouldn't be out until Spring 07...

Some already had delivery of theirs. He was probably telling you when they'd get theirs.

iLude · 10-17-2006, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Rguy

Some already had delivery of theirs. He was probably telling you when they'd get theirs.

Interesting. Well, I hope they fix the problem. The Redline was in my list of possible cars a few years down the road.

Got_soy · 10-17-2006, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by iLude

Interesting. Well, I hope they fix the problem. The Redline was in my list of possible cars a few years down the road.

i told my friends that i would actually buy one, and they thought i was bs ing them,

Lewie · 10-17-2006, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by iLude

What Saturn DID realize is that they're designs were ugly as expletive so they started rebadging Opel/Vauxhalls.

not exactly. the opel/vauxhalls do not meet emission/crash standards in the US. The Opel Corsa, for example, was supposed to be a rebadged saturn but it was going to cost them $3B to change the specs, factory, etc to produce them for the US. By 2014 all Opels/Saturns will be interchangeable.

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