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Bense · 05-31-2006, 11:59 AM

pulling all of <FONT SIZE="5">my</FONT> contributions off of the site that belong to me. bensebuilt.com

Modified by Bense at 6:46 AM 8/31/2006

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turtleman321 · 05-31-2006, 12:19 PM

nice post up those pics then

smokey2.0 · 06-01-2006, 06:34 PM

i hope your not putting this on a daily driver, that fifth gear is going to own you!

Bense · 06-01-2006, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smokey2.0

i hope your not putting this on a daily driver, that fifth gear is going to own you!

yep, pretty much!

smokey2.0 · 06-01-2006, 06:52 PM

do you really need such gearing in 5th? btw use http://tirerack.com they list the tire diamater, of most of the tires that they sell!

Bense · 06-01-2006, 08:06 PM

I think i'm gonna eventually switch to a 4.058 final drive. I'd rather have close ratio gears than a short final drive

It all depends on what I plan on doing with my motor. If i get these special pm0 pistons, then I'll make a high compression d15z1 monster

1.62 r/s ratio with high rpms? who cares

or maybe a deck plated d16 block with a d17 crank and long rods! sleeved to 78mm

oh yeah a 1.8liter d-series lol

Bense · 08-01-2006, 06:33 PM

pulling my contributions to this site off. bensebuilt.com coming soon.

Modified by Bense at 6:47 AM 8/31/2006

Bense · 08-01-2006, 06:46 PM

so that's great and all, but what does this yield?

well, here ya go:

no bitching about highway rpms

(yes, that's 5th gear)

white90crxhf · 08-01-2006, 09:37 PM

looks great! i wish i had that many tranny parts...hehe.

jason_alt · 08-01-2006, 09:49 PM

Good work and thanks.

NJcoupe · 08-01-2006, 11:21 PM

You're truely insane.

full Circling · 08-06-2006, 10:14 PM

Excellent thread! You make it look so easy! I'll definitly have to do my own tranny sometime when I'm feeling brave.

Bense · 08-07-2006, 03:10 PM

thanks

On a sidenote, I'm starting to get used to the gears + shifting rhythm. It had been such a long time since I have driven my car that I almost forgot what it felt like.

because the rpm drops are much less than stock I find that I don't have to rev as high to keep moving. What I mean is that say on a stock ex trans, you rev to 3000rpm in 2nd gear, shift to 3rd, rpms fall to ~1973rpm. so to keep the rpms above 2000, I need to rev to a little over 3000.

However with my new close-ratio gears, I only have to rev to oh lets see, ~2400rpm to stay above 2000rpm. So it feels really cool driving around town. It's also ESPECIALLY cool on those loud intakes that make peak noise at around 2200, because you can just stay right in that range and make lots of noise for a longer period of time

Or I can just go 1-2-4 and it feels like stock 1-2-3

shift pattern is more like
1 2.5 3.5
2 3 R

rpms on the highway suck, but it's really not that bad. With the d15b vtec it's got the short stroke / long rod combo with the 1.62 r/s ratio. Which will handle the rpms better than a stock d16.

Without looking at the rpm gauge. The engine definitely feels like it has a lot of torque. Which is of no surprise because I knew that this would be the case. I'd be willing to say that with the leverage of greater rpms + gears That this 1.5 liter that yields a very peaky 130hp accels just as quick if not quicker than a much larger displacement F23 with the same hp & much flatter tq curve.

Is it worth it? Definitely. Would I reccomend it? Definitely. I still think that gears are without a doubt the most bang for the buck for whatever vehicle you have. Ask any domestic v8 guy and they'll tell you the same

I'll go to the drag strip soon and I'll do a few test runs of 1-2-3-4 shifting and 1-2-4 shifting to compare the difference

Bense · 08-08-2006, 03:11 PM

Another thing, heel-toe downshifting while rev matching is also much easier with a consistent rpm drop

miro_gt · 08-20-2006, 03:18 PM

so top speed = 100MPH ?

FIGARILA · 08-20-2006, 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bense

.....a 3rd gear from a jdm integra zxi trans that i'm using as 4th

......is that the DA Integra that came with a DOHC ZC, what other info do you have about? is it worth having? are the case mounting bolts the same?

JDMCRX · 08-20-2006, 05:06 PM

Nice write up

Bense · 08-20-2006, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heron of Alexandria

......is that the DA Integra that came with a DOHC ZC, what other info do you have about? is it worth having? are the case mounting bolts the same?

same 1-5 that's found in our 88-91 USDM dx and si transmissions, but the zxi has a 4.4375 final drive. it requires the same axle config that the zc requires.

88 rex · 08-20-2006, 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bense

Is it worth it? Definitely. Would I reccomend it? Definitely. I still think that gears are without a doubt the most bang for the buck for whatever vehicle you have. Ask any domestic v8 guy and they'll tell you the same

That is so true! I get a lot of "What's your favorite mod?" questions and I always say.......SHORTER GEARS! Going with a shorter final drive definitely made an immediate difference.

not so civic · 08-22-2006, 11:58 PM

nice bense. this stuff is like my my lego toys equivalents. how do you like the obx?

06-01-2006, 06:34 PM	#3
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06-01-2006, 06:52 PM	#5
smokey2.0 Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: coral springs, florida, us Posts: 4,167	Re: (Bense) do you really need such gearing in 5th? btw use http://tirerack.com they list the tire diamater, of most of the tires that they sell! __________________ you never know until you try! buyers: AllMotorCRX90--B18Flip--motore--b18c1_powered_si--Petah--blackstar--not so civic--TOR--igo4bmx sellers: b18c1_powered_si--Dominican_Kid--owen_the_soyboy--jason--Sp00n'd Supra--powerfulperformance--stingray2772--PseudoSilvia--nasteboyii--Big Teggie--toyosupr--EL Vap133--b19coupe--c13r--Kidloco51--dizzyroc88--MwGSR--bjorn156--seek167

06-01-2006, 08:06 PM	#6
Bense Moderator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Clemson, South Carolina! Posts: 9,215	Re: (smokey2.0) I think i'm gonna eventually switch to a 4.058 final drive. I'd rather have close ratio gears than a short final drive It all depends on what I plan on doing with my motor. If i get these special pm0 pistons, then I'll make a high compression d15z1 monster 1.62 r/s ratio with high rpms? who cares or maybe a deck plated d16 block with a d17 crank and long rods! sleeved to 78mm oh yeah a 1.8liter d-series lol __________________ http://people.clemson.edu/~ABense

08-01-2006, 06:33 PM	#7
Bense Moderator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Clemson, South Carolina! Posts: 9,215	Re: (Bense) pulling my contributions to this site off. bensebuilt.com coming soon. Modified by Bense at 6:47 AM 8/31/2006 __________________ http://people.clemson.edu/~ABense

08-01-2006, 06:46 PM	#8
Bense Moderator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Clemson, South Carolina! Posts: 9,215	Re: (Bense) so that's great and all, but what does this yield? well, here ya go: no bitching about highway rpms (yes, that's 5th gear) __________________ http://people.clemson.edu/~ABense

05-31-2006, 12:19 PM	#2
turtleman321 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Harrisburg, PA Posts: 586	nice post up those pics then

08-01-2006, 09:37 PM	#9
white90crxhf Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 175	Re: (Bense) looks great! i wish i had that many tranny parts...hehe. __________________ si transmission

08-01-2006, 09:49 PM	#10
jason_alt Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 122	Re: (Bense) Good work and thanks.

08-01-2006, 11:21 PM	#11
NJcoupe Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: southside, NJ Posts: 6,331	You're truely insane.

08-06-2006, 10:14 PM	#12
full Circling Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Stay true to your roots. Posts: 1,645	Excellent thread! You make it look so easy! I'll definitly have to do my own tranny sometime when I'm feeling brave. __________________ If you're smart enough to understand it, you're smart enough to be it.

08-07-2006, 03:10 PM	#13
Bense Moderator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Clemson, South Carolina! Posts: 9,215	Re: (^^whatnoobsearchthenGTFO) thanks On a sidenote, I'm starting to get used to the gears + shifting rhythm. It had been such a long time since I have driven my car that I almost forgot what it felt like. because the rpm drops are much less than stock I find that I don't have to rev as high to keep moving. What I mean is that say on a stock ex trans, you rev to 3000rpm in 2nd gear, shift to 3rd, rpms fall to ~1973rpm. so to keep the rpms above 2000, I need to rev to a little over 3000. However with my new close-ratio gears, I only have to rev to oh lets see, ~2400rpm to stay above 2000rpm. So it feels really cool driving around town. It's also ESPECIALLY cool on those loud intakes that make peak noise at around 2200, because you can just stay right in that range and make lots of noise for a longer period of time Or I can just go 1-2-4 and it feels like stock 1-2-3 shift pattern is more like 1 2.5 3.5 2 3 R rpms on the highway suck, but it's really not that bad. With the d15b vtec it's got the short stroke / long rod combo with the 1.62 r/s ratio. Which will handle the rpms better than a stock d16. Without looking at the rpm gauge. The engine definitely feels like it has a lot of torque. Which is of no surprise because I knew that this would be the case. I'd be willing to say that with the leverage of greater rpms + gears That this 1.5 liter that yields a very peaky 130hp accels just as quick if not quicker than a much larger displacement F23 with the same hp & much flatter tq curve. Is it worth it? Definitely. Would I reccomend it? Definitely. I still think that gears are without a doubt the most bang for the buck for whatever vehicle you have. Ask any domestic v8 guy and they'll tell you the same I'll go to the drag strip soon and I'll do a few test runs of 1-2-3-4 shifting and 1-2-4 shifting to compare the difference __________________ http://people.clemson.edu/~ABense

08-08-2006, 03:11 PM	#14
Bense Moderator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Clemson, South Carolina! Posts: 9,215	Re: (Bense) Another thing, heel-toe downshifting while rev matching is also much easier with a consistent rpm drop __________________ http://people.clemson.edu/~ABense

08-20-2006, 03:18 PM	#15
miro_gt Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA, USA Posts: 491	Re: (Bense) so top speed = 100MPH ? __________________ D16Z6 stock; ARPs; GReddy 15G turbo; 6" FMIC; Type-RS BOV; Fluidyne; ACT HDSS; Apexi WS2; no cat; PLX M250+g; Type-S EBC; RC440cc; Hondata s300. at 1 BAR .. tuned by me

08-20-2006, 05:06 PM	#17
JDMCRX Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: PETAWAWA,OTTAWA,GAGETOWN,TRENTON Ont, Canada Posts: 5,332	Re: (Heron of Alexandria) Nice write up __________________ 1999 Acura 1.6EL turbo D16Y8 300whp 2002 Suzuki Grand Vitara with H27 1995 Honda Civic SI Build thred http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=23987711994 Honda Accord Wagon Build thread http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php...9#post36883659

08-22-2006, 11:58 PM	#20
not so civic Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: gravity rides everything...everything will fall, se GA/ne FL Posts: 4,701	Re: Rebuilding my transmission with a quaife and infinitude close-ratio gears! (Bense) nice bense. this stuff is like my my lego toys equivalents. how do you like the obx? __________________ "live fast, die awesome!"

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