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Dc2_iTm · 05-10-2006, 04:01 PM

for both the skunk pro 1's and the spec c's what would u suggest for a 00 jdm type r having on as in valve springs, retainters etc....or none at all... on the motor it has 68 mm str tb port matched with aebs manifold toda flywheel, exedy stage 2 clutch, fuel rail, FPR etc all the bolt ons thanks

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camlob · 05-11-2006, 01:58 AM

The TODA C2 has a 55 ABDC! Pretty radical if you ask me!! I saw it in the pamphlet that came with the cam.

jeremy. · 05-11-2006, 07:51 AM

thanks for posting the results

VVV · 05-11-2006, 06:58 PM

Is the duration of the pro1s 264deg? I was thinking of changing my Toda C's to Pro3s, but my dealer didn't provide the spec card and when I viewed the pro3 lobes, they didn't look lumpy considering the fact that they should be 277in & 284ex.I re-checked the part number (305-05-5150) to make sure but I still didn't feel comfortable.So I didn't get them in the end.Well I'm now thinking of trying the Toda C2 although I don't expect much difference with 5deg more duration.

VVV · 05-11-2006, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by camlob

The TODA C2 has a 55 ABDC! Pretty radical if you ask me!! I saw it in the pamphlet that came with the cam.

May I ask what is the exhaust spec? I hear that the only improvement from the C is 5 deg more intake duration on the vtec lobe. Is the LCA still 105?

camlob · 05-12-2006, 01:10 AM

Sorry but I missed out on that one.

Mohsin · 05-12-2006, 02:02 AM

cant see the pics

, sounds good!

CHEETAH · 05-12-2006, 05:29 AM

good test, todd

even though i've always been
fond of the toda cams, tuning both would be close, meaning the ign timing map is very different for the toda lineup than the skunk pro lineup ... just an observation from tuning over the yars.

greg

DOMKID · 05-12-2006, 08:44 AM

nice test, did you motor lose power from the last time we saw it?

b19coupe · 05-12-2006, 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Felix.

nice test, did you motor lose power from the last time we saw it?

A little, perhaps. Different days.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHEETAH

meaning the ign timing map is very different for the toda lineup than the skunk pro lineup ... just an observation from tuning over the yars.

greg

The ignition timing maps are different

wildoutwhitegsr · 05-12-2006, 10:26 AM

Really eh, which cam has the more agressive ignition map?

Also whats the total timing for each cam?

b19coupe · 05-13-2006, 10:22 PM

Did some more testing today. Taking the cams to +5.5,+5 the motor picked up quite a bit down low and in the mid range, with only a slight loss up top.

The Pro1's are definitely better than the Toda C's down low, but above 5,800, the Toda cams are quite a bit better.

Here is a chart that shows the difference the cam timing changes made with the same intake (same cams-Pro1's):

Johnny_9 · 05-14-2006, 02:22 AM

t0ekn3e · 05-14-2006, 11:27 AM

good info

Johnny_9 · 05-15-2006, 04:36 AM

How about filling in the blanks....BC4 primaries specs....

Jun3 VTEC open/close..........

Pls help ask around for the info.............

VVV · 05-15-2006, 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny_9

Those are Toda B specs, not Cs....

an2ny888 · 05-15-2006, 08:27 AM

how's the idle on the pro1's? they idle ok at 0 in, +2 exh, but they idle like crap whenever i try to advance the intake cam

b19coupe · 05-15-2006, 08:34 AM

Not an easy cam to get to idle. I thought Toda C's were finicky

wildoutwhitegsr · 05-15-2006, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wildoutwhitegsr

Really eh, which cam has the more agressive ignition map?

Also whats the total timing for each cam?

jim9 · 05-15-2006, 08:24 PM

super!

b19coupe · 05-15-2006, 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wildoutwhitegsr

Really eh, which cam has the more agressive ignition map?

Also whats the total timing for each cam?

Pro1's liked 30 degrees at 7,600 dropping to 26 degrees by 9,000.
Toda's liked 29 degrees at 7,600 dropping to 27 degrees by 9,000.

wildoutwhitegsr · 05-16-2006, 11:05 AM

Thanks

gkafe · 08-11-2006, 12:08 AM

Hello please let me know what you mean when you say that the timming is +5+4 for toda.
Is it +5 on the cam gears or +2.5 on the cam and 5 at the crank?
Also what deg is the zero? this 0 possition depending on the head gasket/miled head cam gear costruction.
A better information is the degres of max lift

ATS*Mark · 08-11-2006, 07:07 AM

great info!!! id love to see the pro3's in this motor to see how they do.

b19coupe · 08-11-2006, 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gkafe

Hello please let me know what you mean when you say that the timing is +5+4 for toda.
Is it +5 on the cam gears or +2.5 on the cam and 5 at the crank?
Also what deg is the zero? this 0 possition depending on the head gasket/miled head cam gear costruction.
A better information is the degres of max lift

The head/block are milled. I am too lazy to degree cams-I clay the motor and find out my max safe adjustments. Then I find the sweet spot for cam timing by trial and error on the dyno. When I say +5 it's +5 indicated on the cam gear.

05-11-2006, 01:58 AM	#27
camlob Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Manila, Philippines Posts: 211	Re: (wildoutwhitegsr) The TODA C2 has a 55 ABDC! Pretty radical if you ask me!! I saw it in the pamphlet that came with the cam. __________________ It's not the end result but the road getting there...Enjoy your car and be cool! 2000 JDM ITR, CTR pistons, Jun 3 cams, Jun valve springs, Jun Type 2 TI retainers, Jun camgears, custom stainless steel headers, RSR exhaust, 64mm TB, Ported head, Crome tuned

05-11-2006, 07:51 AM	#28
jeremy. Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: san diego, ca, usa Posts: 11,858	Re: Toda C's vs Skunk Pro1 + cams on a 1.8 ITR motor. (b19coupe) thanks for posting the results __________________ FS: 1998 JDM Milano Red Honda ITR Shell (K-series ready) FS: JDM ITR K20A Swap (DTR/Shaved RBC/Excedy/Karcepts/BDL/Aeromotive/Sparks)

05-11-2006, 06:58 PM	#29
VVV Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 110	Re: Toda C's vs Skunk Pro1 + cams on a 1.8 ITR motor. (b19coupe) Is the duration of the pro1s 264deg? I was thinking of changing my Toda C's to Pro3s, but my dealer didn't provide the spec card and when I viewed the pro3 lobes, they didn't look lumpy considering the fact that they should be 277in & 284ex.I re-checked the part number (305-05-5150) to make sure but I still didn't feel comfortable.So I didn't get them in the end.Well I'm now thinking of trying the Toda C2 although I don't expect much difference with 5deg more duration.

05-12-2006, 01:10 AM	#31
camlob Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Manila, Philippines Posts: 211	Re: (kstmotorworks) Sorry but I missed out on that one. __________________ It's not the end result but the road getting there...Enjoy your car and be cool! 2000 JDM ITR, CTR pistons, Jun 3 cams, Jun valve springs, Jun Type 2 TI retainers, Jun camgears, custom stainless steel headers, RSR exhaust, 64mm TB, Ported head, Crome tuned

05-12-2006, 05:29 AM	#33
CHEETAH Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Woodbridge, NJ, Middlesex Posts: 5,293	Re: Toda C's vs Skunk Pro1 + cams on a 1.8 ITR motor. (b19coupe) good test, todd even though i've always been fond of the toda cams, tuning both would be close, meaning the ign timing map is very different for the toda lineup than the skunk pro lineup ... just an observation from tuning over the yars. greg __________________ You want speed? GBR Tuning.com K-series and B-series Engine builds and Tuning 2006 NHRA Street Stock and NOPI COMP4 competitor Please visit our website: Team Cheetah Racing \| Stuff for sale \| Our sponsors \| Dyno charts \|

05-12-2006, 02:02 AM	#32
Mohsin Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Somewhere Dark and Scary Posts: 1,227	cant see the pics , sounds good!

05-12-2006, 08:44 AM	#34
DOMKID Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 4,300	Re: Toda C's vs Skunk Pro1 + cams on a 1.8 ITR motor. (CHEETAH) nice test, did you motor lose power from the last time we saw it? __________________ "The hardships in life that we face do not create character, it reveals it!" 98 Civic EX 07 TSX

05-12-2006, 10:26 AM	#36
wildoutwhitegsr Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Whitby, Ontario, Canada Posts: 361	Really eh, which cam has the more agressive ignition map? Also whats the total timing for each cam? __________________ "Spooning Leads to Forking"

05-13-2006, 10:22 PM	#37
b19coupe Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Southern California, U.S.A. Posts: 9,748	Did some more testing today. Taking the cams to +5.5,+5 the motor picked up quite a bit down low and in the mid range, with only a slight loss up top. The Pro1's are definitely better than the Toda C's down low, but above 5,800, the Toda cams are quite a bit better. Here is a chart that shows the difference the cam timing changes made with the same intake (same cams-Pro1's): __________________ Church Automotive Testing RC Saturated 440cc Injectors for B-D-H series for sale!

05-14-2006, 02:22 AM	#38
Johnny_9 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: petaling jaya, selangor, malaysia Posts: 103	TODA C Specs

05-14-2006, 11:27 AM	#39
t0ekn3e Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: City of Sharks Posts: 11,449	good info __________________ All Show,Super Slow // <FONT COLOR="Red">PHUC DAT BICH PERFORMANCE</FONT> // VEE Squad!

05-15-2006, 04:36 AM	#40
Johnny_9 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: petaling jaya, selangor, malaysia Posts: 103	Re: (t0ekn3e) How about filling in the blanks....BC4 primaries specs.... Jun3 VTEC open/close.......... Pls help ask around for the info.............

05-15-2006, 08:27 AM	#42
an2ny888 Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Quezon city, SFDM, Philippines Posts: 1,307	Re: (b19coupe) how's the idle on the pro1's? they idle ok at 0 in, +2 exh, but they idle like crap whenever i try to advance the intake cam

05-15-2006, 08:34 AM	#43
b19coupe Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Southern California, U.S.A. Posts: 9,748	Re: (an2ny888) Not an easy cam to get to idle. I thought Toda C's were finicky __________________ Church Automotive Testing RC Saturated 440cc Injectors for B-D-H series for sale!

05-15-2006, 08:24 PM	#45
jim9 Junior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Africa Posts: 869	Re: Toda C's vs Skunk Pro1 + cams on a 1.8 ITR motor. (b19coupe) super!

05-16-2006, 11:05 AM	#47
wildoutwhitegsr Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Whitby, Ontario, Canada Posts: 361	Thanks __________________ "Spooning Leads to Forking"

08-11-2006, 12:08 AM	#48
gkafe Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Athens, Greece Posts: 21	Re: (Tbone) Cam timming Hello please let me know what you mean when you say that the timming is +5+4 for toda. Is it +5 on the cam gears or +2.5 on the cam and 5 at the crank? Also what deg is the zero? this 0 possition depending on the head gasket/miled head cam gear costruction. A better information is the degres of max lift

08-11-2006, 07:07 AM	#49
ATS*Mark ya I fly planes and sh!t. Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Punching bitches in their RedZone behind dumpsters, HeLLa NORcal Posts: 27,639	Re: (Tbone) Cam timming (gkafe) great info!!! id love to see the pro3's in this motor to see how they do. __________________ I'm Still Hella_JDM ATS-GARAGE.COM EK SQUAD - REDZONE - MODACAR - Weaksauce - MEMORYFAB- JDMtheory

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