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Old 08-21-2003, 12:01 AM   #26
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Default Re: What's a good and inexpensive .40 or .45 cal compact pistol? (timmy8151)

why dont u go to the range and test some out?


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If you wan't an inexpensive auto in the $150-200, then I'd highly recommend you getting a Makarov. I bought my Mak for $129+ fees and absolutely love the gun. It is a very reliable gun that is good for CCW, and adequate enough for HD. Just another suggestion.
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Default Re: What's a good and inexpensive .40 or .45 cal compact pistol? (B Speed)

Well what kind of defense are you looking for? Me personally, dont like the idea of killing someone - although put in a situation, where someone is threatening the life of myself or my family... Im sure I could. But whats important is that you learn to shoot well, and do it often to make sure the skill is there when needed most. It doesnt matter if you have the best hand gun money could buy - if you couldnt hit the broadside of a barn... having a cheap weapon to plink off a few shots so you can make it to safety shouldnt be hard to find.
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But whats important is that you learn to shoot well, and do it often to make sure the skill is there when needed most. It doesnt matter if you have the best hand gun money could buy - if you couldnt hit the broadside of a barn... having a cheap weapon to plink off a few shots so you can make it to safety shouldnt be hard to find.
I've owned *several* firearms in the past, so I have the basic handling and safety down pat. My USP .45 and UZI 9mm were probably the ones I was most proficient with since I had an indoor gun range in my town. With the USP I averaged about 40-60 rounds per session and I had about 3-4 sessions a month. With the UZI I did about 80 rounds a session, but I only shot it about twice a month.

The first gun I bought when I turned 18, and the only one I still have today is my MAK-90 (chinese AK-47, civilian model). And I havent shot that thing in over 3-4 years. I used to fire it about once a month averaging about 150 rounds per session. That gun was probably the most fun, since I didn't use my regular 30 round mags (only had 2 of them). For that one I would regularly use my one 75 round drum mag. Click the image to open in full size.
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Default Re: What's a good and inexpensive .40 or .45 cal compact pistol? (comptechgsr)

I guess I could try that...I've never really liked shooting dealer guns. But I will probably go to the range to try out some of their guns, just for chits and giggles.
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Default Re: What's a good and inexpensive .40 or .45 cal compact pistol? (BlueShadow)

*cough* CZ *cough*

Sig quality at near-Taurus prices.
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Sig Sauer. Glock Model 27 (.40), 30 (.45), or 36(.45).

My personal carry weapon is a Makarov 9MM. Very small, but very lethal. (I carry it loaded with Hydra-Shok ammo)
Why? You live in NoVA.
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Default Re: What's a good and inexpensive .40 or .45 cal compact pistol? (George Knighton)

I thought most were produced in Slovakia (the eastern part), not the Czech Republic...
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Default Re: What's a good and inexpensive .40 or .45 cal compact pistol? (John)

CZ, as in Ceska Zbrojovka (dunno how to make those weird accent marks) is in Czech Republic.

I'm with George, Sig-Sauer still my favorite Click the image to open in full size. Click the image to open in full size.

Do you really need a .45/40S&W? 9mm is more than adequate with the right load.
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I'm not sure what you mean by quality, but I don't think the Czech guns are enough like SiG to be able to compare them.

In comparison with SiG, the Czech guns are a little old fashioned and heavy, don't you think?
Like in design? No, probably not. But CZ's are (IMO) as good an execution of that style of handgun as you're going to find. And I think they're an excellent value for all levels of shooter, from the beginner to the match shooter.

They are a bit porky compared to some. I don't think even my Compact would make a great carry gun. But then again, I think Glocks feel flimsy because of the light weight, so maybe it's just me.
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Get the Springfield Armory .40 cal extreme duty. Also comes in 9mm and .357. They are built like a Glock with the dependability and reliability of a Springfield.
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Why? You live in NoVA.
and? Click the image to open in full size. There's still crime here. I also have a .410 shotgun with .000 shot wrapped in a towel standing next to my bed, and a 12 gauge in the closet.
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Default Re: What's a good and inexpensive .40 or .45 cal compact pistol? (B Speed)

But we don't have high crime here (other then auto theft), don't you think its a little over kill?

I read somewhere that people who have firearms to protect themselves more ofthen then not when being robbed are more likely to be harmed by their own weapon, either by themselves or by the robber.


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Default Re: What's a good and inexpensive .40 or .45 cal compact pistol? (thid92)

Glock 36 is the 9mm version.... and isnt much smaller than the Glock 30...

10 rounds each... i'd rather take the .45
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Default Re: What's a good and inexpensive .40 or .45 cal compact pistol? (BlueShadow)

.40 cal Beretta is about $550 I think. Click the image to open in full size.
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I'd go with the springfield also.

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That is a sweet gun!!! Too bad it's $900.... Click the image to open in full size.
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I do want a good pistol, but I dont wanna pay $800-$900 for it like I did with my old HK USP .45 (full size). I'm not looking for a saturday night special...but a decent gun for about $400-$500. It's been a long time since I've shopped around for pistols, and I mainly looked at Sigs and HKs back then. I just want to open up my options a little more and consider other manufactureres like Glock, S&W, and Taurus.
Taurus is a POS. Your life is worth more than that.

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2) Sig 239
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But we don't have high crime here (other then auto theft), don't you think its a little over kill?

I read somewhere that people who have firearms to protect themselves more ofthen then not when being robbed are more likely to be harmed by your own weapon, either by yourself or by the robber.
That's true. Key to being safe when protecting yourself is to stay calm.
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But we don't have high crime here (other then auto theft), don't you think its a little over kill?
So, you are only supposed to protect yourself if you live in a "high crime" area? Are you implying that it would not be overkill to protect yourself in a "high crime" area?

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Uh oh.

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So, based on something you "read somewhere", you think it would be better to sit defenseless as a bad guy rapes, steals, and destroys things around you -- rather than have a chance at defending yourself?

You don't need a gun very often, but when you DO need a gun, you really need it.
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1) Glock 23/30
2) Sig 239
3) Springfield XD40
And I would shop IN THAT order.

Some things to think about:

For defense you don't need ultra high accuracy since you aren't going to be defending yourself from 25+ feet (if you are then it isn't "defense"). The Sig will be more accurate than the Glock at longer ranges but up close the difference is negligable.

If I was target shooting in competition I would want a gun that was heavy and solid with limited kick AND which is cheap on ammo. A 9mm would be perfect but for defense I want to pack as much punch as I can. If I have to fire my gun I want the target knocked down without getting back up. .45 will do it every time. .40 will do it almost every time and 9mm is pot luck - especially if the target is on something. For defense don't worry about ammo costs. Your life is worth more than an additional $3 per 50 rounds. Get the stopping power.

In defense I want to know that when I pull the trigger, that weapon is going to discharge every time AND feed the next round every time. A cheap gun may look good on paper but this is where the sacrafice comes in reality. A Taurus may be accurate and reasonably reliable but I would NEVER EVER trust my life on the guarantee that one will fire and cycle properly every time - because they don't.

In defense I want a weapon that is easy to handle. I want it light and easy to position and aim quickly. I don't want a lot of safetys and other crap that prevent it from firing. In short speed and ease of use are key.

So with those things in mind, for DEFENSE I vote for a Glock. I have a 23 (.40cal compact) and it is ideal IMO. I paid $500 for it. It is small enough to carry. It is light. It is accurate. Its safety is the trigger mechanism (odd at first but you will get used to it) but most important I know it will fire every time I pull the trigger. NO ONE makes a gun that is more reliable than a Glock. There are people out there with Glocks that have fired 150,000+ rounds through them and have NEVER cleaned the gun. Point me to 1 other weapon that can do that.

The Sigs are probably a little better gun in terms of accuracy and overall feel BUT for defense I don't think the increased benefits outweigh the cost. Most of my cop friends all carry Glocks as their personal carry weapons even though they carry Sigs as their duty weapons. Why? Because they don't think the Sig is worth $300 over the Glocks.
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I do want a good pistol, but I dont wanna pay $800-$900 for it like I did with my old HK USP .45 (full size). I'm not looking for a saturday night special...but a decent gun for about $400-$500. It's been a long time since I've shopped around for pistols, and I mainly looked at Sigs and HKs back then. I just want to open up my options a little more and consider other manufactureres like Glock, S&W, and Taurus.
Sorry to break it to you, but Kalifornia prices militate against that, generally, since the cost of testing weapons for the AG's approval is tacked on, along with all the state fees and taxes.

The Glock is the best choice (10+1 capacity, $500-600, compact, light recoil for a .45, accurate). The CZ would be a good and cheap choice if you don't mind that it's quite large (very accurate, though).

FWIW, makarovs can't be beat for the price, or even twice the price.
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Glock 36 is the 9mm version.... and isnt much smaller than the Glock 30...

10 rounds each... i'd rather take the .45
Not so. The 36 is the 6+1 single-stack version of the 30 - both are .45 ACP. I think the 26 or 27 is 9mm.
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Taurus is a POS. Your life is worth more than that.

I would look at:

1) Glock 23/30
2) Sig 239
3) Springfield XD40
4) Kahr K40
I had a Taurus 9mm (identicle to the beretta) and it was nice.... no problems the 10 years i had it... no feed jams, no breakage....

but i agree on the Glock being the primary choice.. no gun has impressed me like the Glock has...
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