Originally Posted by phunhaus

Then what is the value? If the part was good enough to never need a warranty (let's play Devil's advocate) then why offer any warranty at all? If Koni makes shocks so good they'll never have to be revalved or rebuilt (facetious but let's play along) then why have a lifetime warranty? Would it be better than offering a year? Two years? Three years?

If the part lasts, it lasts. If it comes with a one-year warranty that doesn't mean it's designed to last 13 months. I think you're interpreting a "warranty" period as a shelf-life. If I made the best widget in the whole wide world and put a 3 month warranty on it, would you call it a piece of ****? Why does it have to come with a lifetime warranty to be good or even just better?

Guaranteed for Life brake pads from Autozone aren't that good. Everyone knows that but they don't mind taking the brake pads off frequently to take them in the store and get new ones. Try that with dampers, coilovers, or whatever. How many people have you seen bitch about the wait time on rebuilding their "lifetime warranty" dampers? I'm not saying it's a bad thing but PLEASE stop touting it as the end-all be-all method to shop for suspension.

Originally Posted by oldskool teggy

The only thing that is guaranteed is that if you actually drive your car hard and on the track, you will have to rebuild your shocks. Regardless of who makes them. Just because you have an Ohlins $3k setup does NOT mean it's going to last forever.

I really doubt a hard core enthusiast buys one suspension setup and expects to race a few seasons on them without having them rebuilt.

Lastly, you guys sound like you are arguing over which suspension in a way that better/pricier/custom valved = faster.

IMO, buy the most practical setup that will get you around the track the fastest. If AMR and PIC both give competitive times, I'd consider them equally as good.

Originally Posted by STOCK_SOHC_DX

You are right on the part of customers bitching about the down time of their vehicles when the shock/struts do need re-servicing but that is just the nature of the beast. I'm glad you brought up Koni shocks they are the perfect example. They perform well and have a lifetime warranty. I know a hand full of guys who have blown their Koni's from years of heavy driving and not mis-use. At the end of the day/week/month they got either new replacements or got their shock rebuilt for the amazing price of FREE. It might not be an end all way to choose your suspension, but in the long run it shure does help. On these two shocks they most likely perform about the same, one we know is built to custom spec and the other is cookie cutter, the price difference isn't too great. That pretty much leaves the warranty from there.

Originally Posted by PIC Performance

When you find the formula that works, and works consistently, its something you stick to. A casual buyer may not always appreciate consistent performance, but a serious user does. So, funny how well the cookie cutter shock has done in both performance and sales.

By the way, find me a PIC user who's had their warranty request denied by PIC, whether within one year or outside, whether they are the original purchaser or not. You won't find one, because all warranty requests find their way to me and I have honored every single one at not cost to the user. I only ask the user to send the warranteed part to me for inspection, on PIC's dime. Why do I only write a one year warranty on the brochure? Because nothing is gauranteed for a lifetime and a customer should not be mislead by what is essentially a marketing gimmick. Give my product the opportunity to prove itself without the lure of a perceived safety net.

Originally Posted by STOCK_SOHC_DX

Even though I am backing up AMR, I am pretty shure your car would have done well on any decent set-up. Only difference yours is covered by lifetime warranty.

Originally Posted by dannyk20

i did had a decent set up, i knock out 6 to 10 second out of my old time trial track day, i don't know if u ever did track day in the island. still suround by water?

Originally Posted by PIC Performance

By the way, find me a PIC user who's had their warranty request denied by PIC, whether within one year or outside, whether they are the original purchaser or not. You won't find one, because all warranty requests find their way to me and I have honored every single one at not cost to the user. I only ask the user to send the warranteed part to me for inspection, on PIC's dime. Why do I only write a one year warranty on the brochure? Because nothing is gauranteed for a lifetime and a customer should not be mislead by what is essentially a marketing gimmick. Give my product the opportunity to prove itself without the lure of a perceived safety net.

Originally Posted by xzodiackillerx

I had a cosmetic defect show up after only driving on the PIC selects for less than 500mi and I sent an email to PIC to ask what could be done about it... they are sending me new parts for free and the coilovers are well over a year old.. PIC has my vote

Originally Posted by STOCK_SOHC_DX

500mi and cosmetic defect, awesome quality right there!

Originally Posted by STOCK_SOHC_DX

500mi and cosmetic defect, awesome quality right there!

Originally Posted by GroundZer0 336

im def. getting some pic selects for my 88 hatch in the next 2 weeks. 10/14...gona ride like a caddy!