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detailzdelivere · 10-26-2009, 04:45 PM

What is the difference between an obd-1 H22 and an obd-2 H22 that makes them so much different in price?

And if i decided on this swap would i have a hard time passing emissions/inspection doing an obd-2 swap in my obd-1 94 accord?

Where i came up with this question...

JDM H22 OBD-2 $1390 25,000 MILES
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/JDM-H...Q5fAccessories

JDM H22 OBD-1 $750 25,000 MILES
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/JDM-H...Q5fAccessories

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detailzdelivere · 10-26-2009, 04:46 PM

And whats the hp/tq rating on an H23 vtec? I would think for the same price i would rather have more liters...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/JDM-H...Q5fAccessories

TheMuffinMan · 10-26-2009, 05:01 PM

Obviously one is newer........

Why on earth would you put the OBDII motor in your 94? You're making it harder on yourself. Put the OBDI motor in and be done with it, you're already OBDI.

detailzdelivere · 10-26-2009, 05:07 PM

thats what i was thinking but thats all that makes them $600-700 different?

DOHC VTEC H22A1, 190 PS
DOHC VTEC H22A4, 200 PS

so the obd-2 has 10 more hp?

detailzdelivere · 10-26-2009, 05:08 PM

well then what did the h23 vtec come out of and what are the hp/tq ratings on that?

Thanks for the quick response also

TheMuffinMan · 10-26-2009, 05:10 PM

Well I would suggest you search and look at the differences, someone actually made an excel spread sheet within the past month that contained ALL of the H and F information.

What would you pay for a '93 Prelude vs a '97 Prelude- essentially what you're buying is related to that.

night · 10-26-2009, 05:46 PM

closed vs open deck

detailzdelivere · 10-26-2009, 08:06 PM

which is closed/open? I am only looking for 200whp so i dont know if that will even matter

tichal2008 · 10-26-2009, 10:27 PM

im swapping an h22a1 into 95 ex cpe. so what r these sensors in order from right to left. im having a problem figuring out the water sensors meaning i think theres 3 on my ex harness and a 4 on the h22a1 motor. i know theres a million questions like this but if you would pm me some type of checklist with sensors i need to wire in on my harness. i just cant find anything close to my application. i figured if anyone knew it would be an h22 guru. some info, 95 ex auto i have the full harness off d series and h22a1. i think im pretty close with the wiring, theres still a few things i need to clear up. what do i do about the external coil. i dont have an internal just the stock prelude. someone please help

TheMuffinMan · 10-27-2009, 03:01 AM

Why don't you read any of the number of H22 swaps in the Accord FAQ.

fastlane2 · 10-27-2009, 06:28 PM

OBD1 has crank, cam, top dead sensor in the distributor. The OB2 has crank and top dead sensor at the crank. OBD2 computer will fire up a obd1 engine, at least mine did. Also the map sensor is in the throttle body on the obd2 vs OB1 has it on the fire wall via a hose. Both F and H are the same with the postion sensors. Go with OBD 1 vs OBD2. OBD 1 will allow for tunning. Now this is just what a dealer told me, OBD1 have better bearings. I might be wrong.

extralargenog · 10-28-2009, 12:30 AM

Buy the OBD1 and use a JDM internal coil dizzy... Other than lengthening the IAT sensor lead... Its a DIRECT plug in swap to the EX harness.. Including the dizzy if you use a JDM unit

detailzdelivere · 10-28-2009, 07:36 AM

i have an lx, but honestly i am leaning toward the h23 bluetop... Same price and more power

extralargenog · 10-28-2009, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by detailzdelivere

i have an lx, but honestly i am leaning toward the h23 bluetop... Same price and more power

oh well

fastlane2 · 10-29-2009, 01:31 PM

Do you have a auto or manual, I was going to put a H23 in my accord just the auto was a pain to wire and I didn't use Rywire to make my auto harness I got a cut one form a car use alldata and michell to wire it From a manual OBD2 to OBD1 adapter. I have a H22a auto LSD, better option. LSDs are to much fun! The H23 never came with one or they rare.

TheMuffinMan · 10-29-2009, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fastlane2

Do you have a auto or manual, I was going to put a H23 in my accord just the auto was a pain to wire and I didn't use Rywire to make my auto harness I got a cut one form a car use alldata and michell to wire it From a manual OBD2 to OBD1 adapter. I have a H22a auto LSD, better option. LSDs are to much fun! The H23 never came with one or they rare.

The H23 VTEC available in the Accord Wagon had a LSD transmission

fastlane2 · 11-04-2009, 08:02 AM

Really, I could not find one. But I'm happy with my H22a. There are alot of cam options for these egines. Are there any cam options for the H23A

kandyflippa247 · 11-06-2009, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by extralargenog

Buy the OBD1 and use a JDM internal coil dizzy... Other than lengthening the IAT sensor lead... Its a DIRECT plug in swap to the EX harness.. Including the dizzy if you use a JDM unit

im doing an h22a (JDM) into a 94 accord LX USDM.... and the harness is being a real beetch... are you saying if i had an EX it would be like "plug-an-play" except for the IAT...????(not needing the prelude/modified accord harness; to plug it all together) the h22a came with the dizzy and ecu but no harness...

extralargenog · 11-07-2009, 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kandyflippa247

im doing an h22a (JDM) into a 94 accord LX USDM.... and the harness is being a real beetch... are you saying if i had an EX it would be like "plug-an-play" except for the IAT...????(not needing the prelude/modified accord harness; to plug it all together) the h22a came with the dizzy and ecu but no harness...

The 94 95 EX f22b1 (possibly all OBD1 id assume, but I know FOR SURE these two) use an internal coil dizzy... A INternal coil dizzy off a JDM (H22A motor) will PLUG DIRECTLY INTO the 94-95 EX harness... You only have to lengthen the IAT leads around 6- 8 inches to make them reach the side of the h manifold....

the b1 is already wired for vtec and all that shit....

make sense???

WOrked for me.

DARWINGJDM · 11-07-2009, 02:06 AM

HERE ARE THE POWE AND TORQUE.
H23 NON-VTEC
POWER-160 TORQUE-163
H23A
POWER-163 TORQUE-156
H23A1
POWER-160 TORQUE-156
H23A2
POWER-156 TORQUE-154
H23A3
POWER-156 TORQUE-154
H23A VTEC
POWER-197 TORQUE-163

10-26-2009, 04:46 PM	#2
detailzdelivere Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: buffalo, ny Posts: 93	Re: h22 gurus step inside... And whats the hp/tq rating on an H23 vtec? I would think for the same price i would rather have more liters... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/JDM-H...Q5fAccessories

10-26-2009, 05:07 PM	#4
detailzdelivere Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: buffalo, ny Posts: 93	Re: h22 gurus step inside... thats what i was thinking but thats all that makes them $600-700 different? DOHC VTEC H22A1, 190 PS DOHC VTEC H22A4, 200 PS so the obd-2 has 10 more hp?

10-26-2009, 05:08 PM	#5
detailzdelivere Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: buffalo, ny Posts: 93	Re: h22 gurus step inside... well then what did the h23 vtec come out of and what are the hp/tq ratings on that? Thanks for the quick response also

10-26-2009, 05:46 PM	#7
night Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: houston Posts: 761	Re: h22 gurus step inside... closed vs open deck __________________ '85 Lude

10-26-2009, 08:06 PM	#8
detailzdelivere Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: buffalo, ny Posts: 93	Re: h22 gurus step inside... which is closed/open? I am only looking for 200whp so i dont know if that will even matter

10-26-2009, 10:27 PM	#9
tichal2008 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 12	Re: h22 gurus step inside... im swapping an h22a1 into 95 ex cpe. so what r these sensors in order from right to left. im having a problem figuring out the water sensors meaning i think theres 3 on my ex harness and a 4 on the h22a1 motor. i know theres a million questions like this but if you would pm me some type of checklist with sensors i need to wire in on my harness. i just cant find anything close to my application. i figured if anyone knew it would be an h22 guru. some info, 95 ex auto i have the full harness off d series and h22a1. i think im pretty close with the wiring, theres still a few things i need to clear up. what do i do about the external coil. i dont have an internal just the stock prelude. someone please help

10-27-2009, 06:28 PM	#11
fastlane2 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 91	Re: h22 gurus step inside... OBD1 has crank, cam, top dead sensor in the distributor. The OB2 has crank and top dead sensor at the crank. OBD2 computer will fire up a obd1 engine, at least mine did. Also the map sensor is in the throttle body on the obd2 vs OB1 has it on the fire wall via a hose. Both F and H are the same with the postion sensors. Go with OBD 1 vs OBD2. OBD 1 will allow for tunning. Now this is just what a dealer told me, OBD1 have better bearings. I might be wrong.

10-28-2009, 12:30 AM	#12
extralargenog Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Blah Blah Blah, wa, Erf Posts: 1,062	Re: h22 gurus step inside... Buy the OBD1 and use a JDM internal coil dizzy... Other than lengthening the IAT sensor lead... Its a DIRECT plug in swap to the EX harness.. Including the dizzy if you use a JDM unit __________________ LEED tuned 660 WHP 4 do' panty soiler GFI:WE build FAST!!! REALHOMEMADETURBO.COM, KAIZENSPEED.COM, LSD Motorsports

10-28-2009, 07:36 AM	#13
detailzdelivere Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: buffalo, ny Posts: 93	Re: h22 gurus step inside... i have an lx, but honestly i am leaning toward the h23 bluetop... Same price and more power

10-29-2009, 01:31 PM	#15
fastlane2 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 91	Re: h22 gurus step inside... Do you have a auto or manual, I was going to put a H23 in my accord just the auto was a pain to wire and I didn't use Rywire to make my auto harness I got a cut one form a car use alldata and michell to wire it From a manual OBD2 to OBD1 adapter. I have a H22a auto LSD, better option. LSDs are to much fun! The H23 never came with one or they rare.

11-04-2009, 08:02 AM	#17
fastlane2 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 91	Re: h22 gurus step inside... Really, I could not find one. But I'm happy with my H22a. There are alot of cam options for these egines. Are there any cam options for the H23A

11-07-2009, 02:06 AM	#20
DARWINGJDM New User Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: AMSTERDAM N.Y. Posts: 4	Re: h22 gurus step inside... HERE ARE THE POWE AND TORQUE. H23 NON-VTEC POWER-160 TORQUE-163 H23A POWER-163 TORQUE-156 H23A1 POWER-160 TORQUE-156 H23A2 POWER-156 TORQUE-154 H23A3 POWER-156 TORQUE-154 H23A VTEC POWER-197 TORQUE-163

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