B tranny on F block?!

[dubedone]

ok so i was reading super street and they said someone has made a plate that allows you to bolt a B-series tranny to an H-block now ive also heard that the H-series tranny can bolt on to an F-block so with this new plate do you think we can put B-series trans in our F powered accords also would this work with the H-heads bolted to the F. now thats one hell of a frankenstien.

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[jDracer]

Yup, H to B also know as K20 killa. It would probably bolt up to the F with that plate, but I don't know how your gonna mount it into the accord. The last time I checked my accord had a cable tranny and I'm sure yours dose too. But hey anything is possible.

[philadd]

That kit was made to be fitted into Civics and Integras It solved the axle problems people were having due to the axles being aligned horribly. Use an H2B kit in an Accord (and custom fab mounts to fit it) and you're likely to have axle problems, but that's speculation as of now.

[TouringAccord]

Originally Posted by philadd

That kit was made to be fitted into Civics and Integras It solved the axle problems people were having due to the axles being aligned horribly. Use an H2B kit in an Accord (and custom fab mounts to fit it) and you're likely to have axle problems, but that's speculation as of now.

add to that fitting the shifter and shift linkage

[nus_dogg]

Yeah, Bisi don't make H2B for Accords; Not that I know of. That would be sweet though if they make a plate for us Accords to be able to use the B-Series transaxle.

Now, you can use a H-Series trans on a F-Series engine. It's been done and of course shorter gear ratios. Same with head freinkenstein; G22/G23 swaps.

[twkdCD595]

You can do a B series trans on an H or F as stated above but not in our accord chassis yet, well at least a production ready kit that is. If you wanted to do it with some money and someone with some know how, anything is possible.

Dont know why you would need to go to a B series other than more gearing choices though. H/F series transmissions seem to be holding up pretty well unless your pushing some bigger power running slicked up routinely putting it through its paces.

[CarsAddict]

yeh thats true. dont have a clue whered youd get it from though sorry.

[Turbo-LS]

Get an H tranny and change the final drive to get even lower gearing, should make it somewhat comperable to a b transaxle

[accord_raffi]

Originally Posted by jDracer

Yup, H to B also know as K20 killa. It would probably bolt up to the F with that plate, but I don't know how your gonna mount it into the accord. The last time I checked my accord had a cable tranny and I'm sure yours dose too. But hey anything is possible.

I thought we had hydraulic trannies, hence the hydraulic/brake fluid reservoir.

[tamadrummer1120]

Originally Posted by accord_raffi

I thought we had hydraulic trannies, hence the hydraulic/brake fluid reservoir.

yeah....i thought so too......all of the hondas i have ever worked on had a hydraulic trans........

and the 5th gen accord and the corresponding civics do.

[Turbo-LS]

they are refering to the shifter style boys. b transaxle is two bars and h series has two cables that shift the trans. the hydro is just the clutch depression and release mechanism

[nus_dogg]

Originally Posted by Turbo-LS

they are refering to the shifter style boys. b transaxle is two bars and h series has two cables that shift the trans. the hydro is just the clutch depression and release mechanism

Yup. Shift rods and shift cables.

[tamadrummer1120]

oh ok.

i stand corrected. thought he was saying the clutch type.

i always thought the G23 with a b series trans in an accord would make a fun drag car.

[extralargenog]

Originally Posted by twkdCD595

You can do a B series trans on an H or F as stated above but not in our accord chassis yet, well at least a production ready kit that is. If you wanted to do it with some money and someone with some know how, anything is possible.

Dont know why you would need to go to a B series other than more gearing choices though. H/F series transmissions seem to be holding up pretty well unless your pushing some bigger power running slicked up routinely putting it through its paces.

B series tranny on a H/F is good for one thing and one thing only... H swap in a civic/ Integra to compensate for axle angle... I have blown up more H trannys than most have SEEN with my setup in the CD5.

The B trannys are dimensionally smaller and the gears Weaker than the H trannys. TRUST ME... The ONLY advantage would be the readily available gearset components available...


Although PPG offers a really nice dogbox for the H... H syncro straightcut forged sets are not readily available... I have been in touch with Eric at Bullhead (PPG distributor in the US) as hes local to me about putting together a Syncroed H set.... Just need people to step up....

I already have a straightcut syncro box now anyways so at over 650 WHP I beat the shiiiit out of the car and its proven reliable






If the B series tranny was worth it Id have oner in the car trust me. Its just not worth it... Also nnoteworthy is that Ive been running OEM H series prelude axles ion my car (full interiuor EX) for over a year and a half without any issues... The car makes 520 on pump and has M and H 235/60-15 DOTS on it and it HOOKS.

Havent broken one yet. LMK if youd like more info on whats neeeded to run the Lude axles... Ittl save yuou about 800 on some DSS shit or the gators...


Heres a site for a 5the gear cuff for OEM style gearsets



http://www.turbooptions.com/cncdesig...od&productId=3

[accord_raffi]

Originally Posted by Turbo-LS

they are refering to the shifter style boys. b transaxle is two bars and h series has two cables that shift the trans. the hydro is just the clutch depression and release mechanism

You didn't state it directly, but accords do have cable transmissions then too? like the h?

[98-hondaaccord]

why not just get a f20b tranny which is similiar to b series and comes with Lsd...

[extralargenog]

Originally Posted by 98-hondaaccord

why not just get a f20b tranny which is similiar to b series and comes with Lsd...

Wrong. LSD has nothing to do with shredding gears. Ive broken more than one ring gear too. Nor is the F20B tranny "more like a B". Its cable shifted and internally like an H not a B (even closer to an F than a B)

Nevertheless you still miss the point the B trannys are NOT stronger than the H. Do the math... The H made a good bit more power from the factory. The trannys (H) are engineered to take more power. The reason the B series tranny is advantageous is listed above and not one has to do with being stronger than the H).


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Broken forged starightcut stuff:







Broken Case:

[accord_raffi]

How is it that even forged, straight cut gears are being torn apart? I understand the B trannies are weaker from the factory, but I would assume using forged/cryo-treated parts would solve the issue. Since those are straight cut gears, I'm assuming that tranny was just meant for abuse and it had finally taken too much of it, even for its design.

[extralargenog]

Originally Posted by accord_raffi

How is it that even forged, straight cut gears are being torn apart? I understand the B trannies are weaker from the factory, but I would assume using forged/cryo-treated parts would solve the issue. Since those are straight cut gears, I'm assuming that tranny was just meant for abuse and it had finally taken too much of it, even for its design.

POWER POWER POWER.... They arent breaking on shifts (I also have a Tilton FCV on it). Its always been after the shift and the turbo hits. My shit hits HARD too... LOL Obviously.

Heat treated OEM stuff fails too.... Buddys trying some Cryo stuff locally thats at around 610WHP in a 3rd gen lude.. He was just starting to regularly break OEM stuiff (most always its 2nd and fourth gear as did I)

The forged gear breakage was due in part to the fact that I got a prototype gearset from them... The ratios (read tooth count) of the gears had changed (for fewer teeth, allowing MORE material)

Enough power will break anything!!!!!
Add a twin disk
ALOT of Tq for a honda
A heavy ass car


I bought my set used.. I blame fatigue. Since upgrading the 2-3-4 sets I have beaten the shit out of it and had no issues since. All season at >650 WHP and the car hooks pretty damn good.

[TouringAccord]

Originally Posted by accord_raffi

You didn't state it directly, but accords do have cable transmissions then too? like the h?

yep

[tamadrummer1120]

extralognog,

thats a sick setup....minus the broken teeth deal haha. how much louder is the straight cut gears as compared to the oem's? GL getting the trans to hold up dude!

[j3wman]

a B tranny wouldnt handle the f's torque well since it was made for a car that had about as much torque as a gerbal in one of those little rolly ball things, thats just speculation tho.

[Brad_and_the_acc]

Originally Posted by j3wman

a B tranny wouldnt handle the f's torque well since it was made for a car that had about as much torque as a gerbal in one of those little rolly ball things, thats just speculation tho.

Depending on what engine and trans your refering to.. The Bseries engines arnt very far behing in torqe #s compared to the F.. In stock form that is..
The reason its not a very good option for most is the gear issue.. They are weak.

[extralargenog]

Originally Posted by tamadrummer1120

extralognog,

thats a sick setup....minus the broken teeth deal haha. how much louder is the straight cut gears as compared to the oem's? GL getting the trans to hold up dude!

The straightcuts are ALOT louder... They sound SOOOO sexy :O)

http://www.youtube.com/user/bigdaddy.../9/SbCR4_LuWsI

Its holding up well now with the uipdated 3 and 4 gearsets.... Ive been beating the shit out of it all summer with no issue.

[Brad_and_the_acc]

Originally Posted by extralargenog

http://www.youtube.com/user/bigdaddy.../9/SbCR4_LuWsI

OT...
Lots of hate in the comments on that channel..
No Honda luvs..
The only thing that Talon will be walkin is the crank.