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KdF · 11-04-2009, 12:35 PM

I've done some searches.
And everything contradicts itself.
I just have a few questions.

I'm looking at getting an auto 2003 em2

What do I need to make it standard.
Besides the tranny. Do they make an aftermarket mount or can i just modify mine

Next up
K20 swap vs Turbo.
Don't try to convince me its 3k for a turbo kit..
The only thing I am worried about is the tuning.
Assuming its 1400 for a turbo kit, which is better.
I am not looking for a 9 second car but I do want something more than 117 whp.
Whats best to tune it with it.
Would the greddy emanage be fine.

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Igaly · 11-04-2009, 01:43 PM

to go from auto to manual besides the tranny u need axels and a ecu from 5 speed civic it will mount good

Igaly · 11-04-2009, 01:59 PM

ok d17 boosted vs k20
d17:
no a turbo kit does not cost 3k lol its around $900, unles u just wanna run 5lbs psi u need low compression pistons, tune the ecu, get a better tps sensor, a turbo manifold ur gonna spend like 3k on that project if its well done u well have 230whp runnin 14's

k20:
u need motor, tranny, ecu, rsx exhust, rsx shift linkage and a couple more stuff ur gonna spend like 6k on this project and with k20A2, k20Z1, k20z3 runs low 15's k20A3 run 16's

u tell me wich is better u can k-pro both motors, thats another 30hp so u make a desicion

It Wasn't Me · 11-04-2009, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KdF

I've done some searches.
And everything contradicts itself.
I just have a few questions.

I'm looking at getting an auto 2003 em2

What do I need to make it standard.
Besides the tranny. Do they make an aftermarket mount or can i just modify mine

Next up
K20 swap vs Turbo.
Don't try to convince me its 3k for a turbo kit..
The only thing I am worried about is the tuning.
Assuming its 1400 for a turbo kit, which is better.
I am not looking for a 9 second car but I do want something more than 117 whp.
Whats best to tune it with it.
Would the greddy emanage be fine.

The FAQs has a link for Auto to Manual Conversion

Not sure if you've read any of these, so I'll just toss them out there. K Swap, and 305whp turbo buildup.

We also have THE TURBO THREAD - Boost for Noobies! which would be a good spot to ask turbo related questions if you can't find an answer somewhere in it.

bomerman19 · 11-04-2009, 03:02 PM

heh $900 for a turbo kit lmao that might get you a turbo and a turbo mani fold but by the time you add up all the little shit like wastegate, bov, intercooler, and piping engine mangment, sensors, yeah it adds up quick if you want a reliable set-up it starts at 3500 and goes up that is not for big boost and forged internals.

you would be an idiot to by an auto and convert it to a manual just go out and by a manual and it will save you so much more money especially since your looking at switch out mounts, subframe, axles, shift linkage, trans wiring just like a turbo it adds up quick.

oh and these cars don't have 117 hp maybe at the crank but at the wheels it is more like 90 to 95 hp if you want a little more pep for cheap just get a stage 1 cam

Igaly · 11-04-2009, 04:07 PM

yea but i was giving him a roughly estimate u feel bro like u said, if u wanna gain bro do stage 1 cam and k-pro ur ecu....u be a gohst

FijiBlueFG2 · 11-04-2009, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KdF

I've done some searches.
And everything contradicts itself.
I just have a few questions.

I'm looking at getting an auto 2003 em2

What do I need to make it standard.
Besides the tranny. Do they make an aftermarket mount or can i just modify mine

Next up
K20 swap vs Turbo.
Don't try to convince me its 3k for a turbo kit..
The only thing I am worried about is the tuning.
Assuming its 1400 for a turbo kit, which is better.
I am not looking for a 9 second car but I do want something more than 117 whp.
Whats best to tune it with it.
Would the greddy emanage be fine.

Save the trouble and buy a MT em2.

But really, if you're going to buy a k20, swap it in, turbo chage it, etc., you might be better off buying a used fg2. You can get one for about $14k-$15k. An em2 + k-swap will run you for at least $10k-$12k

boxeocampeon · 11-04-2009, 05:41 PM

a k20s gonna cost you like 6000. i would just boost your motor a turbo sounds nice for your car

KdF · 11-06-2009, 07:33 AM

Hmm. Any more ideas?

_illmatic_ · 11-06-2009, 09:50 AM

D17s are okay.....You can turbo them K-Pro, but another thing you have to think about when doing the turbo is reliability. Do you wanna be under the hood every week making sure there are no leaks and what not. The K20 is gonna give you a very reliable start that you can build on later to yield even better results.

bomerman19 · 11-09-2009, 10:14 PM

turbo is very reliable but only if you take the time to set it up right and run proper engine mangement

KdF · 11-14-2009, 08:08 AM

Ill have proper engine management for sure. I'm just worried about not being able to hit past 225-250 horsepower. Plus all my research says to get thatmuch power I'll have to upgrade internals

slowassd17 · 11-14-2009, 11:34 AM

andyman was boosting a stock bottom end making 300 hp, im not sure what the max power a stock head will squeeze out is but for some reason the number 245 is comming to mind. just throw a set of arp headstuds on for some insurance, and you should be pretty good. and your horsepower goals are very acheivable!

KdF · 11-14-2009, 09:04 PM

So this talk of boosting a d17 requires a massive built motor is non sense? That's whatvi was figuring. Surely it could put out 250...

ourbloodykisses · 11-15-2009, 06:01 AM

do it right, stop being cheap. build the motor so it can withhold.

KdF · 11-15-2009, 07:21 AM

There's no point to build a motor if it won't hit much more than what it already has. There's also no point to build it if it can handle 300 stock and I'm looking for less.

ourbloodykisses · 11-15-2009, 07:26 AM

dont build it then, when it blows you'll wish you did

slowassd17 · 11-15-2009, 03:07 PM

i wouldnt push it to the max, however i would trust the stock block to hold enough boost to make plenty of power for a small fwd car. but if your trying to make as much power as possible build it for sure man

bomerman19 · 11-16-2009, 10:16 AM

the rod bolts have been seen to stretch at as low as 7-8 psi but the usually really start to stretch around 11 psi. the block it self will hold what ever you throw at it but the rods can only handle so much and the can hold a lot less if it is un-tuned

11-04-2009, 01:43 PM	#2
Igaly Junior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Kissimmee, FL, US Posts: 63	Re: 2003 civic questions to go from auto to manual besides the tranny u need axels and a ecu from 5 speed civic it will mount good

11-04-2009, 01:59 PM	#3
Igaly Junior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Kissimmee, FL, US Posts: 63	Re: 2003 civic questions ok d17 boosted vs k20 d17: no a turbo kit does not cost 3k lol its around $900, unles u just wanna run 5lbs psi u need low compression pistons, tune the ecu, get a better tps sensor, a turbo manifold ur gonna spend like 3k on that project if its well done u well have 230whp runnin 14's k20: u need motor, tranny, ecu, rsx exhust, rsx shift linkage and a couple more stuff ur gonna spend like 6k on this project and with k20A2, k20Z1, k20z3 runs low 15's k20A3 run 16's u tell me wich is better u can k-pro both motors, thats another 30hp so u make a desicion

11-04-2009, 03:02 PM	#5
bomerman19 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Arlington, VA, USA Posts: 105	Re: 2003 civic questions heh $900 for a turbo kit lmao that might get you a turbo and a turbo mani fold but by the time you add up all the little shit like wastegate, bov, intercooler, and piping engine mangment, sensors, yeah it adds up quick if you want a reliable set-up it starts at 3500 and goes up that is not for big boost and forged internals. you would be an idiot to by an auto and convert it to a manual just go out and by a manual and it will save you so much more money especially since your looking at switch out mounts, subframe, axles, shift linkage, trans wiring just like a turbo it adds up quick. oh and these cars don't have 117 hp maybe at the crank but at the wheels it is more like 90 to 95 hp if you want a little more pep for cheap just get a stage 1 cam

11-04-2009, 04:07 PM	#6
Igaly Junior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Kissimmee, FL, US Posts: 63	Re: 2003 civic questions yea but i was giving him a roughly estimate u feel bro like u said, if u wanna gain bro do stage 1 cam and k-pro ur ecu....u be a gohst

11-04-2009, 05:41 PM	#8
boxeocampeon Junior Member 1998 Honda Civic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Bay Area Posts: 657	Re: 2003 civic questions a k20s gonna cost you like 6000. i would just boost your motor a turbo sounds nice for your car __________________ DC Projects 1410 Concord Ave Ste A-1 Concord CA 94520 925 288 9388

11-06-2009, 07:33 AM	#9
KdF Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 627	Re: 2003 civic questions Hmm. Any more ideas?

11-06-2009, 09:50 AM	#10
_illmatic_ Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Baton Rouge, LA, USA Posts: 58	Re: 2003 civic questions D17s are okay.....You can turbo them K-Pro, but another thing you have to think about when doing the turbo is reliability. Do you wanna be under the hood every week making sure there are no leaks and what not. The K20 is gonna give you a very reliable start that you can build on later to yield even better results. __________________ 2004 Honda Civic LX

11-09-2009, 10:14 PM	#11
bomerman19 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Arlington, VA, USA Posts: 105	Re: 2003 civic questions turbo is very reliable but only if you take the time to set it up right and run proper engine mangement

11-14-2009, 08:08 AM	#12
KdF Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 627	Re: 2003 civic questions Ill have proper engine management for sure. I'm just worried about not being able to hit past 225-250 horsepower. Plus all my research says to get thatmuch power I'll have to upgrade internals

11-14-2009, 11:34 AM	#13
slowassd17 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 33	Re: 2003 civic questions andyman was boosting a stock bottom end making 300 hp, im not sure what the max power a stock head will squeeze out is but for some reason the number 245 is comming to mind. just throw a set of arp headstuds on for some insurance, and you should be pretty good. and your horsepower goals are very acheivable!

11-14-2009, 09:04 PM	#14
KdF Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 627	Re: 2003 civic questions So this talk of boosting a d17 requires a massive built motor is non sense? That's whatvi was figuring. Surely it could put out 250...

11-15-2009, 06:01 AM	#15
ourbloodykisses Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: South Jersey Posts: 70	Re: 2003 civic questions do it right, stop being cheap. build the motor so it can withhold. __________________ EM2<3

11-15-2009, 07:21 AM	#16
KdF Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 627	Re: 2003 civic questions There's no point to build a motor if it won't hit much more than what it already has. There's also no point to build it if it can handle 300 stock and I'm looking for less.

11-15-2009, 07:26 AM	#17
ourbloodykisses Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: South Jersey Posts: 70	Re: 2003 civic questions dont build it then, when it blows you'll wish you did __________________ EM2<3

11-15-2009, 03:07 PM	#18
slowassd17 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 33	Re: 2003 civic questions i wouldnt push it to the max, however i would trust the stock block to hold enough boost to make plenty of power for a small fwd car. but if your trying to make as much power as possible build it for sure man

11-16-2009, 10:16 AM	#19
bomerman19 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Arlington, VA, USA Posts: 105	Re: 2003 civic questions the rod bolts have been seen to stretch at as low as 7-8 psi but the usually really start to stretch around 11 psi. the block it self will hold what ever you throw at it but the rods can only handle so much and the can hold a lot less if it is un-tuned

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