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Old 06-11-2009, 12:24 PM   #1
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Default All-Motor Street at the U.S. Army World Cup Finals

Last year All-Motor Street was for the Hondas and a couple Fords, and the class rocked! Could the class be made even bigger with allowing some GM combos?

The benefit to having more combos is for greater crowd response and sponsor involvment. With that said, dollars can come easier to the purse for future events.

The All Motor street class is typically a "Mid 11" sec - "Low 11" sec class with a few "10 sec Hondas". The Factory Stock class is a tested and proven class with 11.00 as the national record and we had let them run a touch lighter at the WCF and Tommy Godfrey got his 10.9 pass but was murdered in the semi-finals. By allowing those combos to be tweaked with slicks and a tad more weight out those same cars can run possibly 10.8s, maybe a high 10.7.

I have also had several GM cars with the stock CID 346 cubic inch combos want to run in All Motor Street at thw WCF with more weight of course and stock unported heads with cam only. Ls1tech.com has all of the country's quickest LS1 and LS6 times posted and their weight (which is only 346inches), there would have to be a minimum weight set of course if we opened it up to them to keep them in the high 10s low 11s which wouldnt be hard, and we have techs to pull them apart if need be to inspect. What's everyone's thoughts? Could draw in another 20 GM cars in All-Motor Street?

By nature the All-Motor Street class is a small motor naturally aspirated class.

* 2 liter Hondas, fully built motors, 2200lb K cars
* 313ci Fords, stock internals, .512 cam, 2900lb base weight
* Possibly 346ci GMs?? Stock cam and more weight

Whats everyone's thoughts? Would be cool to see Hondas, Fords, and GMs running within 3 tenths...
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so the ford went 10.9 last year with a dot tire and more weight. So you think by giving them slicks and less weight they can "possibly" run 10.8s? lol they will prob run 10.60s all day
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Tommy's car doesnt run any faster on a slick than he does on a radial. It will just be more consistent. The main reason for the slicks is to allow other cars that dont work as good as Tommy's to be competitive. From what I hear you and Loan can run 10.6s all day. The 100lbs of weight will be good for about 1 tenth in those cars. And Tommy is running 11.0s this year again, he is willing and a couple other to come to the World Cup again this year but wanted to see if they can be a bit more competitive. The domestics are banking on going rounds even if they are a bit slower through consistency and nailing the tree. They have a low opinion of the import driver ability.

Lets give them a race and the crowd a show.
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Tommy's car doesnt run any faster on a slick than he does on a radial. It will just be more consistent. The main reason for the slicks is to allow other cars that dont work as good as Tommy's to be competitive. From what I hear you and Loan can run 10.6s all day. The 100lbs of weight will be good for about 1 tenth in those cars. And Tommy is running 11.0s this year again, he is willing and a couple other to come to the World Cup again this year but wanted to see if they can be a bit more competitive. The domestics are banking on going rounds even if they are a bit slower through consistency and nailing the tree. They have a low opinion of the import driver ability.

Lets give them a race and the crowd a show.
i highly doubt his car runs the same with slicks.Just because we race hondas doesnt mean were stupid.haha He even said it himself in last years thread-
"Oh it's gonna be fun! My best pass was an 11.07 @ 121mph. The da was around 2500ft and it was in the mid 80's. So when Nov rolls around and it's nice and cool. I think High 10's aren't out of the question. And I'm forced to run Drag Radials. I guess you guys need some help. LOL. Give me a 26x10 and let's see what happens."

So if his car runs the same on radials he wouldnt have made that comment. Plus 100lbs lighter.And Loan and I dont run .60s all day. We went .50s last year and it wasnt at 2200lbs. My last race two weeks ago i was running .70s when there was no weight limit so with 2200lbs it will prob go .90s Click the image to open in full size.

And as far as him having a low opinion on the import driver ability, All i have to say is hes the one who red light against Loan
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Jason you put on a great show, no doubt about it, but I think you are leaning to one side a little too much here.

Last year, we get a call a few weeks before the race asking us to sandbag to make it more fair for the mustangs. (Oops was I not suppose to say that out in public?)

This year you come at us with 100lbs less weight and a slick. You say that his car doesn't go ANY faster on a slick ? Are you kidding?
Oh it will be more consistant? Were we at the same race last year? I'd say they were pretty damn consistant.

So we have to run 200lbs heavier than we normally do but they get to run lighter and get a slick?

How about letting us run at 2100 than ?

Tip some of the scale back our way for once.

Ahh whatever. Enough crying. We'll be there regardless.
I guess the mustang guys got a little butt hurt that we embarrassed them with our "little hondas."
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Jason- I have to agree with Tim and Jake on this, yes it was a all honda final. So, lets make the playing field a little more level. But, giving them slicks and weight is a little much. If you are going to do these rules give us some weight back then! Also personally wouldn't know if one of the V-8 guys is racing with in the rules or not.

I think it is a great event and I will be traveling a long way, so I don't want to travel all that way and not have a chance to compete.

I bet with slicks and weight break the top Mustang guys can go 60's once they dial there car in, which means us 4 cylinders would have to make alot more power than we did last year to run those #.

I know I sound like I am bitching but that is my 3 cents!


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well im fine w/ allowing the F-body's into the class, its a great idea

as far as the mustangs running slicks @ 100 lbs lighter, honestly im not worried about it at all. they will hook about the same and go about 1 tenth quicker so that will put them right there w/ us at a 10.9x to 10.8x

and you k series guys should be ashamed of yourselves asking for less weight, you have the pleasure of whooping up on us H/B series guys all season as it is haha

these rules should provide an AWESOME field as tight as it has ever been in the past, i would bet $$ on it!!!


and besides, you guys are crying over spilled milk because I will be the one taking home the $1k anyway
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Oh randy get off your self pro claimed high horse.

Just get in line because you will be on the side lines with the mustang boys watching us in the finals.

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well its all good because i know im not afraid to race tommy godfrey in his gold colored hooperdinker


while you faster, more powerful k series guys on the otherhand are all like...... its freakin tommy godfrey on slicks....what are we gonna do....
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well its all good because i know im not afraid to race tommy godfrey in his gold colored hooperdinker


while you faster, more powerful k series guys on the otherhand are all like...... its freakin tommy godfrey on slicks....what are we gonna do....
haha yea thats exactly it. Sounds to me like the mustang dudes are scared of us K guys and want not one ,but two rule changes in their favor

Besides you got that big powerful Hseries now.Come and get me
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I think the rules were great last year, it was a tight field with some great racing. There were 2 mustangs and 2 civics in the semis. If you look at the results Godfrey red lit against Loan, but went a 10.96 to her 10.82. Without his red light, that would've been a great race. I feel like it seemed Honda's were dominating because only 2 competitive Mustang's showed up. Being one of the slower cars in the class, I don't feel like there should be a rule change just to make one or two cars faster. If more Mustang's showed up at the event it would be easier to make a fair rule change to keep the class even. So far to date, only 2 Honda's have been high 10s in true street trim and 1 Mustang. I would hate to see the whole class affected just to make the three fastest cars closer. I think allowing GM would be great as long as there is a level playing field. Whatever the rules, we will definitely be racing as always. I trust that Jason Miller and MIR will have a exciting, competitive class for everyone.
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The Mustangs run no faster on slicks. The drag radail work just as well as a slick on those cars. Our T-Type runs just as good if not better on DR compared to slicks the same size and is alot more stable on top end.

The FWD cars had them covered by a few tenthes last year lets make it a drivers race this year.

Jason I also agree on the 2500lbs for True Street as well.
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This is what needs to happen. An unlimeted 4 cylinder all-motor event. Just make sure the cars meet safety requirements and it's on. **** penalties and cc limitations. Run what the hell you can create..simple. People should step up to the plate and show I have the fastest ****ing car regardless of your best effort. Now that is a trophy worth holding...way more than what money can buy. I have never understood why honda's are allowed to swap motors and all this fancy technology when they wont allow old-school vws to run wasser boxer engine with 4" inch bore or more from the same dam company. How ironic. Don't get me wrong, what modern imports can do.... is ****ing unreal for such a small cc engine. If the american guys want to run, bring a dam four cylinder like the rest of us. Stop finding ways to be the big man by bending the rules pussies... You have old school 4 cylinders that can step up.. Stop being chicks with dicks and stop trying to stack the deck in your favor. 4 cylinder, up and up. Whats wrong, you scared ls1 boys? Also, don't allow any sponsorships... Put your own mind and effort to it. You want a bad *** cylinder head. Do it your ****ing self. How can people hold their head up high when parts are just given to them and strait on the car. Oh yes.. I'm badest of them all cuz I have others doing the hard **** for me. Oh yea, thats some respectable chest pumping wanking there at it's finest. Yes i realize I may get banned from this site for these comments, but their the dam truth. it's sad how truth has become some evil word these days.
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That's the worst idea i have ever heard. . .

No where in any of that incoherant rambling that you call a post, did it have ANYTHING to do with the topic at hand.
I award you no points and may god have mercy on your soul. . .

So i should be chastized because I cant port a head myself? Because I have someone else build the motor I should hang my head low ?
Are you kidding me ? How do you even justify that?

If you want to get something off your chest about the scene, then make another post. It has nothing to do with this thread.
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you k series guys can have fully built motors and the stangs gotta run stock bottoms ends, you affraid to run a car with a built motor like yours? Like it has been said, FWD needs slicks to run fast, RWD doesnt at that power level, it just helps the consistancy so that your not frying the tires one race and whoopin the other car the next race.
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So having a run what your brung 4 cylinder competition is a bad idea? How can anyone say that I have the fastest all-motor when rules can be skewed towards their favor? 1.5 has a great point, the manipulating of rules will never end as long as people can run to them as a wheel chair? Look what happened to the aircooled vw's as soon as they got scared of invention and thought in the 90's... they didn't progress for years and a whole shitton of people surpased them. Chris Burbetz(sp) was running high 8's in the 90's on a stock case vw engine. They changed the rules and only within the last few years have people finally caught up.

Oh yes, god have mercy on my soul because I would be excited to read about a true heads up event? Or asking people to put in alittle hard work and learning. I admit it, I'm going to hell rapidly for that one.

It's all about competition to develop the sport. So your faster than me. Instead of me figuring it out, I just have the rules twisted in my favor. How does that help any of us?

Just to ensure chasis cars don't come in and murder everyone... How about the car must retain the stock body and only basic bolt on suspension mods are allowed? No welding or cutting to make stuff fit. Run whatever engine and transmission combo that comes from that car company. That combo can then be modified to moon.
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So having a run what your brung 4 cylinder competition is a bad idea? How can anyone say that I have the fastest all-motor when rules can be skewed towards their favor? 1.5 has a great point, the manipulating of rules will never end as long as people can run to them as a wheel chair? Look what happened to the aircooled vw's as soon as they got scared of invention and thought in the 90's... they didn't progress for years and a whole shitton of people surpased them. Chris Burbetz(sp) was running high 8's in the 90's on a stock case vw engine. They changed the rules and only within the last few years have people finally caught up.
No, the way that you presented it is a horrible idea.
Run what you brung as long as its naturally aspirated and 4cyl?
To me that sounds like a terrible idea.
Hey maybe your beloved VW guys will like it though, more power to you.

However your presentation of an idea has nothing to do with the intended topic of this thread.
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you k series guys can have fully built motors and the stangs gotta run stock bottoms ends, you affraid to run a car with a built motor like yours? Like it has been said, FWD needs slicks to run fast, RWD doesnt at that power level, it just helps the consistancy so that your not frying the tires one race and whoopin the other car the next race.

We can argue back and forth all day long , going Tit for tat every step of the way.

You make a valid point , and so did we.

No one wants a completely biased rulebook. Hell, what fun would it be if we were running 10.50s and all the mustang guys were running 11.0s . . . Thats not fair.

So last year we had 3 Hondas go 10s. Loan went 10.79, Tim went 10.81, Marc went 10.83. We had one mustang go 10.9 and the other was low 11s. ( sorry dont remember exact ET)

Ok so lets brige the gap and allow more mustangs come out to play. I'm all for it. So then give them the slicks and call it a day. Or take a 100lbs away and be done with it.

I for one do not believe that the slicks will make no difference except for consistancy. I dont buy it.

When rules seem to be getting stacked in one way, people are going to chime in one way or another. There was close racing last year, Im all for even closer racing this year. To me it seems rules are being favored for a few competitors and thats some of us choose to speak up.

In the end, no matter what, we will be there to race. Regardless of rules, we will adapt.
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True, I see your point. Yes, I do love my old vw's but I am a fan of any 4 cylinder car. I have been through vw's, ford, dodge glhs, spirit r/t's, and now a mx83 since it was free. Please don't think that I am Honda bashing, even though it may seem like it. I have seen first hand what Jackson supercharged coupe ls/vtech can do on the freeways to american v8's. Funny ****. That and I was fortunately to be around WMR here in Oahu when the import scene exploded. So needless to say that I do have alot of respect for you guys even though I am coming off as a dick.
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I for one do not believe that the slicks will make no difference except for consistancy. I dont buy it.
i personally dont have any experience with it, but most of the domestic guys that i know claim they go faster on a radial than on a slick, unless the track is really bad.....which we all know will not be the case for this race.


i personally find it amusing that a FWD 4 cylinder is going faster than a RWD V8....stock internals or not haha. then again, thats part of what makes this race so awesome.

the flip side to that is their radial turbo cars are faster than our proFWD cars lol
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WOW, what a thread. Give the mustang what they want. Lets see if they can run mid 10s. I doubt it.
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the mustangs wont gain much more than 1 tenth on slicks @ 100 lbs lighter.

i know you k series guys dont want to believe it, but its true.

i say give em what they want and lets have a close high ten second field
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Whatever give em what they want.Tired of them crying. Lets see if they can keep up this year.And when they dont the rules next year will allow them to drop another 100lbs and allow wheelie bars and tow vehicles. Oh wait someone alrdy had a tow vehicle for a street car last year
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Try and keep this civil folks. I don't like locking threads anymore
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