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b19coupe · 05-09-2006, 05:41 PM

Both cams tuned on the same dyno/same day. Toda C's have a much stronger mid range on this motor. Peak power on both is close.

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Combustion Contraption · 05-09-2006, 06:08 PM

Great post todd.

Outdated Toda technology still bringin the heat, huh?

Tbone · 05-09-2006, 06:36 PM

Todd thats about exactly how the pro-1's beat my buddy 4's when I did them in my motor.. But the skunks were the ones who beat the buddies in the mid like that and the buddy caught back up and peaked higher..

Great info man , glad your still providing such tests to help the community.

dinko · 05-09-2006, 06:40 PM

that torque is nice.

clean rice · 05-09-2006, 06:56 PM

Nice info man!

street dreams · 05-09-2006, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clean rice

Nice info man!

yeah very nice

Dat1BVtecN · 05-09-2006, 08:07 PM

good shit, thanks for sharing the info

WHITFIELD-TUNED · 05-09-2006, 08:13 PM

Wow todd that took me by surprise did you get a chance to beat on both cams on the pavement if so ... Difference in feeling?

B18C1_POWER · 05-09-2006, 08:23 PM

nice, engines specs?

b19coupe · 05-09-2006, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HOOKUPS

Wow Todd that took me by surprise did you get a chance to beat on both cams on the pavement if so ... Difference in feeling?

The Pro1's "feel" faster. Go figure

Quote:

Originally Posted by B18C1_POWER

nice, engines specs?

ITR block and crank.81.5mm Wiseco pistons. Compression around 11.5:1. Pump gas. Import Builders ported head-stock ITR valves. Portflow valve springs and retainers. Valve job redone by Portflow at my request (more flow). Import Builders ported ITR intake manifold. RPM 70mm-tapered to 66mm throttle body. RC 440cc injectors. Velocity stack intake. Hytech 1.8 ITR header. No cat. Mugen cat back. Tuned on Hondata S300

dragonz04 · 05-09-2006, 10:03 PM

nice

camlob · 05-09-2006, 11:30 PM

I was just holding a set of TODA C2's last week! I went for Jun 3's for the stock idle characteristics. TODA C2 big lobe is at 12.5! But good nos considering your compression!

slofu · 05-10-2006, 06:25 AM

looks as though the same killer ramp angles on the Todas which have been known to eat rockers and timing belts may also render higher dynamic cyl pressures, since valves can be slammed open/shut faster.

is anyone (with a cam doctor) able to give us a ramp rate comparison?

now that i think about it, i recall seeing some old IB graphs and others which seemed to indicate that the smaller bore Bs liked less severe ramps than the larger bore setups with the same static compression ratios. this leads me to wonder whether the Pro1s have yet steeper ramps than the Cs.

EK Josh · 05-10-2006, 07:05 AM

Great post.

wildoutwhitegsr · 05-10-2006, 08:05 AM

Were the cam gears tuned as well for each setup?

b19coupe · 05-10-2006, 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wildoutwhitegsr

Were the cam gears tuned as well for each setup?

Yes.
Toda C's-+5,+3.
Pro1+----+4,+2.
The Pro1+ cams seem to have bigger primary and secondary lobes. The car would not idle with the Toda C program, once the Pro1+ cams were installed (at 0,+1).

Tbone · 05-10-2006, 08:29 AM

Todd have you run the pro-3's in anything yet?( I cant remember) You want to try mine in something?

b19coupe · 05-10-2006, 08:45 AM

Have not tried the Pro3's-yet...

Tbone · 05-10-2006, 08:56 AM

Let me know if you want to.. i'll loan you mine..

wildoutwhitegsr · 05-10-2006, 09:08 AM

Thanks for doing this dyno comparison b19coupe. You've just made my cam purchasing even more difficult. LOL, I was dead set on the Skunk 2 PRO 1's, but now you have me looking at the Toda C's....

Only have a couple more questions....

Is there any other side effect from both of these cams?

I know about the Toda C's and the retainer to rocker wear issue. Do you experience this with your build?

Are they're any valvetrain issue's with the PRO 1's?

What do they both idle at and how is the idle? Smooth, lumpy?

Last question that's off topic, by any chance do you have the specs on the Toda C's and Toda C2's for comparision oh hand, if not I'll just search for them.

Duration ?
Lift ?
Opening BTDC ?
Closing - ABDC ?
Lobe Centreline ?

Thanks In Advance & thanks again for the dyno and sharing it with us

No_Fear · 05-10-2006, 09:14 AM

nice info,thank you

b19coupe · 05-10-2006, 09:17 AM

The Pro 1+ cams did not want to idle with the Toda C program-they were much more finicky, which leads me to believe that the primary and secondary lobes are bigger on the Skunk Cams. No retainer issues with the Toda C's, nor any issues at all, for that matter. I was told by Toda that the C2's have 5 degrees more duration than the C's.
C2's-(from Toda website)
IN 250 (11.0) - 300 (12.5) - 250 (11.0)
EX 250 (11.0) - 300 (12.5) - 250 (11.0)
(actually 260@1mm)
(the C's are 255@1mm)

strsi · 05-10-2006, 01:41 PM

wow, good info

. thanks

b19coupe · 05-10-2006, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FuLL ThroTTle RaCin

so ur assuming that the pro 1 primary and secondary are bigger than toda's 11mm primary and secondary?

It's more like an educated guess. I did not mic them, however.

Viorent Grip! EG · 05-10-2006, 02:50 PM

what are other specs on your motor?

05-09-2006, 06:08 PM	#2
Combustion Contraption Member My Garage Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: So Cal Posts: 9,940	Great post todd. Outdated Toda technology still bringin the heat, huh? __________________ EARL LASKEY, YOU WILL BE MISSED CCCylinderheads.comV3 NOW UP AND RUNNING Buy the 85x89 Project Hatchback!

05-09-2006, 06:36 PM	#3
Tbone Member My Garage Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: North East Posts: 4,280	Re: Toda C's vs Skunk Pro1 + cams on a 1.8 ITR motor. (b19coupe) Todd thats about exactly how the pro-1's beat my buddy 4's when I did them in my motor.. But the skunks were the ones who beat the buddies in the mid like that and the buddy caught back up and peaked higher.. Great info man , glad your still providing such tests to help the community. __________________ Coatings expert Project 300 .280 whp on RLz's dyno oh yeah!!! test passes netted 11.2 @ 124 ish, needs traction 11.78@114.9 Full street car(238whp then) http://www.Bristoldyno.com

05-09-2006, 06:40 PM	#4
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05-09-2006, 06:56 PM	#5
clean rice Member My Garage Join Date: May 2004 Location: GO PACKERS Posts: 6,007	Re: Toda C's vs Skunk Pro1 + cams on a 1.8 ITR motor. (dinko) Nice info man! __________________ Rocket Motorsports and MFactory dealer. *Rest in peace Gramma...*

05-09-2006, 08:07 PM	#7
Dat1BVtecN Member My Garage Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,419	Re: Toda C's vs Skunk Pro1 + cams on a 1.8 ITR motor. (b19coupe) good shit, thanks for sharing the info __________________ SpoOlinDC4u DC Squad member #0390 *Car for sale: http://www.hondamarketplace.com/show....php?t=2585913

05-09-2006, 08:13 PM	#8
WHITFIELD-TUNED DYNO-PRO My Garage Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: SoCal I.E 909, CA, where we innovate not immitate Posts: 4,392	Re: Toda C's vs Skunk Pro1 + cams on a 1.8 ITR motor. (Dat1BVtecN) Wow todd that took me by surprise did you get a chance to beat on both cams on the pavement if so ... Difference in feeling?

05-09-2006, 08:23 PM	#9
B18C1_POWER Junior Member My Garage Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: P.R. Posts: 294	Re: Toda C's vs Skunk Pro1 + cams on a 1.8 ITR motor. (HOOKUPS) nice, engines specs?

05-09-2006, 10:03 PM	#11
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05-09-2006, 11:30 PM	#12
camlob My Garage Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Manila, Philippines Posts: 211	Re: Toda C's vs Skunk Pro1 + cams on a 1.8 ITR motor. (dragonz04) I was just holding a set of TODA C2's last week! I went for Jun 3's for the stock idle characteristics. TODA C2 big lobe is at 12.5! But good nos considering your compression! __________________ It's not the end result but the road getting there...Enjoy your car and be cool! 2000 JDM ITR, CTR pistons, Jun 3 cams, Jun valve springs, Jun Type 2 TI retainers, Jun camgears, custom stainless steel headers, RSR exhaust, 64mm TB, Ported head, Crome tuned

05-10-2006, 06:25 AM	#13
slofu Member My Garage Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: medium pimpin Posts: 1,803	Re: Toda C's vs Skunk Pro1 + cams on a 1.8 ITR motor. (b19coupe) looks as though the same killer ramp angles on the Todas which have been known to eat rockers and timing belts may also render higher dynamic cyl pressures, since valves can be slammed open/shut faster. is anyone (with a cam doctor) able to give us a ramp rate comparison? now that i think about it, i recall seeing some old IB graphs and others which seemed to indicate that the smaller bore Bs liked less severe ramps than the larger bore setups with the same static compression ratios. this leads me to wonder whether the Pro1s have yet steeper ramps than the Cs.

05-10-2006, 07:05 AM	#14
EK Josh Member My Garage Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Garden Grove, CA, 714 Posts: 3,892	Re: Toda C's vs Skunk Pro1 + cams on a 1.8 ITR motor. (slofu) Great post. __________________ \|\|'97 Integra GS-R\|\| FS: SSR MK3-S Wheels - BUY BUY BUY!!

05-10-2006, 08:05 AM	#15
wildoutwhitegsr Junior Member My Garage Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Whitby, Ontario, Canada Posts: 361	Were the cam gears tuned as well for each setup? __________________ "Spooning Leads to Forking"

05-10-2006, 08:29 AM	#17
Tbone Member My Garage Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: North East Posts: 4,280	Re: (b19coupe) Todd have you run the pro-3's in anything yet?( I cant remember) You want to try mine in something? __________________ Coatings expert Project 300 .280 whp on RLz's dyno oh yeah!!! test passes netted 11.2 @ 124 ish, needs traction 11.78@114.9 Full street car(238whp then) http://www.Bristoldyno.com

05-10-2006, 08:45 AM	#18
b19coupe Member My Garage Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Southern, California, U.S.A. Posts: 9,544	Re: (Tbone) Have not tried the Pro3's-yet... __________________ Church Automotive Testing Portflow ported B16 head for sale Toda Spec B's FS!

05-10-2006, 08:56 AM	#19
Tbone Member My Garage Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: North East Posts: 4,280	Re: (b19coupe) Let me know if you want to.. i'll loan you mine.. __________________ Coatings expert Project 300 .280 whp on RLz's dyno oh yeah!!! test passes netted 11.2 @ 124 ish, needs traction 11.78@114.9 Full street car(238whp then) http://www.Bristoldyno.com

05-10-2006, 09:08 AM	#20
wildoutwhitegsr Junior Member My Garage Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Whitby, Ontario, Canada Posts: 361	Thanks for doing this dyno comparison b19coupe. You've just made my cam purchasing even more difficult. LOL, I was dead set on the Skunk 2 PRO 1's, but now you have me looking at the Toda C's.... Only have a couple more questions.... Is there any other side effect from both of these cams? I know about the Toda C's and the retainer to rocker wear issue. Do you experience this with your build? Are they're any valvetrain issue's with the PRO 1's? What do they both idle at and how is the idle? Smooth, lumpy? Last question that's off topic, by any chance do you have the specs on the Toda C's and Toda C2's for comparision oh hand, if not I'll just search for them. Duration ? Lift ? Opening BTDC ? Closing - ABDC ? Lobe Centreline ? Thanks In Advance & thanks again for the dyno and sharing it with us __________________ "Spooning Leads to Forking"

05-10-2006, 09:14 AM	#21
No_Fear Junior Member My Garage Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CYPRUS Posts: 387	nice info,thank you __________________ Face your fears, Live your dreams. http://www.nof3ar.cjb.net EK9 Powerd by www.xmotorsport.net www.cusco.gr

05-10-2006, 09:17 AM	#22
b19coupe Member My Garage Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Southern, California, U.S.A. Posts: 9,544	Re: (wildoutwhitegsr) The Pro 1+ cams did not want to idle with the Toda C program-they were much more finicky, which leads me to believe that the primary and secondary lobes are bigger on the Skunk Cams. No retainer issues with the Toda C's, nor any issues at all, for that matter. I was told by Toda that the C2's have 5 degrees more duration than the C's. C2's-(from Toda website) IN 250 (11.0) - 300 (12.5) - 250 (11.0) EX 250 (11.0) - 300 (12.5) - 250 (11.0) (actually 260@1mm) (the C's are 255@1mm) __________________ Church Automotive Testing Portflow ported B16 head for sale Toda Spec B's FS!

05-10-2006, 01:41 PM	#23
strsi Junior Member My Garage Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: CA Posts: 573	Re: (b19coupe) wow, good info . thanks __________________ 2000 EBP Si 181.5whp, 119wtq- All Motor B16 EG Hatch BMW 328Ci 207 Forever- RIP

05-10-2006, 02:50 PM	#25
Viorent Grip! EG Member My Garage Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mugen trend, Viorent Grip Posts: 4,994	Re: Toda C's vs Skunk Pro1 + cams on a 1.8 ITR motor. (b19coupe) what are other specs on your motor? __________________ Viorent GRIP! VG06 built by Sam@Access Motors Dynamic Autosports Tuned by Sean @ CAT Dynamic Autosports Access Motors EG6 B@D@SS C@R 05 TL DD

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