andrewasf77

just a question, is it normal to have metal shavings in the oil pan after a bottom end build or is this a sign of something seriously wrong? i wouldnt say it was tons of metal, but deffinatley noticable

Whitfield Inc.

If the block was freshly machined maybe the shop didn't clean the parts well enouph - that's not good. You should be able to tell if they are shavings from surfacing and machining or chunks of bad parts. Good Luck

andrewasf77

i dont have a digi cam to take pictures of the shavings, i put new acl bearings on a micropolished crank, could something be wrong there?

andrewasf77

anyone have any idea on what is going on in my motor?

LSVTEC 91 Civic

Yeah, normal... Material will come off new bearings, just be easy on the engine.. break it in all over again.

andrewasf77

really, in general how much material should i be seeing?

LSVTEC 91 Civic

Oil should look pearly. Get a magnet drain plug and break in those new bearings properly, don't be jamming on it until they are broken in.

andrewasf77

im def. not jaming on it, this was just after the first startup, car ran about five minutes. i was gonna change the oil and i noticed the oil pan was dented a little, i took it off to try to pound it out a little, thats when i saw the shavings

LSVTEC 91 Civic

Post pics, oil should be pearly silver colored, if you see a lot of bronze or large metal chunks pull the caps off and check the bearings, could of spun one if clearances were too tight.

andrewasf77

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by LSVTEC 91 Civic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Post pics, oil should be pearly silver colored, if you see a lot of bronze or large metal chunks pull the caps off and check the bearings, could of spun one if clearances were too tight.</TD></TR></TABLE>

ive gotta get some pics, i dont have a digi. if that was the case can the bearings just be replaced, or does the crank need to be replaced also?

WHITFIELD-TUNED

i would also rec. retorque rod bolts after 1k miles

andrewasf77

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by andrewasf77 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

ive gotta get some pics, i dont have a digi. if that was the case can the bearings just be replaced, or does the crank need to be replaced also?</TD></TR></TABLE>
anyone?

MAX_CFM

Bearings Dont break in?
There should be no metal transfer on bearings
And there shouldnt be any metal in the pan..
any metal transfer from new parts will be in the filter END of story....

MAX_CFM

Modified by MAX_CFM at 2:39 AM 5/19/2004

andrewasf77

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MAX_CFM &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Bearings Dont break in?
There should be no metal transfer of any Type
And there shouldnt be any metal in the pan..
any metal transfer from new parts will be in the filter END of story....</TD></TR></TABLE>

could the builder have not properly cleaned out the block properly before reassembly?

Ryan C

up...

(gettin ready tp break in a motor)

MajorPayne

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MAX_CFM &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Bearings Dont break in?
There should be no metal transfer of any Type
And there shouldnt be any metal in the pan..
any metal transfer from new parts will be in the filter END of story....</TD></TR></TABLE>

ah the wisdom of brad...listen to what he says

Whitfield Inc.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RageDzine &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If the block was freshly machined maybe the shop didn't clean the parts well enouph - that's not good. You should be able to tell if they are shavings from surfacing and machining or chunks of bad parts. Good Luck</TD></TR></TABLE>

I would have to agree with most of the reply - no motor should have material in it flying around or shavings in the oil or oil pan. From what I know there is no break in period on bearings. I would say tear it down and go threw it again. Just my 2 cents

andrewasf77

im not disagreeing with anyone, i am a rookie. the machine shop is tearing apart the bottom end and going to tell me in a day or so. i just want to protect myself from getting taken for more money. i know you cant say for sure unless you see the motor, just trying to get an idea of what i may be looking at. thanks

Whitfield Inc.

If you had to compare the stuff you see in your motor -
1 - like very fine sand
2 - small clipping's off a finger nail
which would better explain it ??

Just thinking thats all

andrewasf77

more like fingernail clippings, if i had to choose

Whitfield Inc.

I know that was a stupid question - but when the block was say surfaced and honed there COULD have been left over small small small sand like metal from the stones, that would mean the builder did a poor job at cleaning it up before assembly. But larger pieces like bits of finger nails to me would point the finger at a much larger problem, bearing etc. If the builder has a good company he will stand behind his work if not then ????????? good luck.

andrewasf77

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RageDzine &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I know that was a stupid question - but when the block was say surfaced and honed there COULD have been left over small small small sand like metal from the stones, that would mean the builder did a poor job at cleaning it up before assembly. But larger pieces like bits of finger nails to me would point the finger at a much larger problem, bearing etc. If the builder has a good company he will stand behind his work if not then ????????? good luck.</TD></TR></TABLE>

im sure that im going to hung out to dry on this one. i dont think i am getting any help from the builder here. lesson learned i guess. i just hope its not going to cost an arm and a leg to fix. my buildup budget is shot

projectTeG

what if its like aa metal semi-solid...i did an oil cahange and i ran a magnetic screw drive through the oil and picked up some. what could that be?

andrewasf77

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by projectTeG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what if its like aa metal semi-solid...i did an oil cahange and i ran a magnetic screw drive through the oil and picked up some. what could that be?</TD></TR></TABLE>

sounds weird, but im a little more concerned about my issues with a brand new build