dc_jdm_dreams

So I have been trying to do some research on this subject. I am contemplating weither to do a built b18c swap or a reflashed k20a or k20z swap in my 1999 jdm front ls. I have an idea of how much the b series build and swap will cost for me to do. But I was wondering if anyone has done a k20 swap lately and how much the total cost in parts would be. I know this has been covered before but the newest thread I could find was done in 2008. Parts are more common now and cheaper now for this swap due to its up-rise in popularity over the years. Once again any help would be greatly appreciated.

cagedGSR

From what I've read from searching myself, around 5,000-6,000

dc_jdm_dreams

Thats with out the motor of course right?

delsol92

here in florida people usually spend about 7000, thats basically already having the shell, getting all the stuffed needed, putting it in and getting tuned

gwarfare

9k tuned off hondata k-pro.

gwarfare

1year warranty for motor

dc_jdm_dreams

nice i like those figures now i wish i lived in cali. the honda scene here is wack A>F. But thanks. Just to be curious what all is needed for the conversion gwarfare. I know about the shift box and mounts and i know i will need to have custom a/c lines made which is no prob. But what else

cagedGSR

Yes, sorry, late and I was tired.. should have specified

eg6 type-R

go to hybid racing's website.. they have a list if parts needed for your car to get up and running..
my parts w/o motor were about 6k with kpro.. so total build 9k

B20ztek

iTrader: (1)

thats crazy...I can get a full k-swap for $1500. that includes trans, ecu, engine harness, axles everything. All you would need is engine mounts.

dc_jdm_dreams

how is that. Is the motor stollen? I am looking at a k20z1 from an rsx for 4,000.



6,000 for parts i will check the website out

B20ztek

iTrader: (1)

No, just a guy I know doesnt want it. Bought to put in his hatch but decided to go a different route.

JuicedUpRice

racebum

so it's stolen

no one in their right mind would sell that swap complete for $1500

if the motor has solid compression and the trans doesn't grind it would be on ebay getting a lot more

but, if it's stolen, you don't sell it nationally since you risk a lot more time by creating a federal case if it ever comes to light

as for the op

a nice B series type r swap complete will cost you $4000

for $5000 you can get a k20 type r complete with a 6spd LSD trans. you don't need to spend money on kpro or any of that if you leave it stock. now in order to run that K you'll need the mount set and more work in the wiring. all said and done i don't see why a k20 type r would be more than 6000 with all the needed parts.

however, that's still 50% more than the b series type r that merely requires a vtec wire

perks to the k20 are

6spd
more power
will almost certainly be lower mileage and live longer
newer

perks to the b18c

it costs 50% less and is an easy install

resale wise it's a toss up. 98% of the time a base model gs/ls/gsr will be worth parts value when you go to sell if it has a nice swap, nice parts etc.

1998GsRIntegra

For the k-series that have true vtec, with cost of motor and trans included, right around $9000 to do it right. You could probably shave off $1000 or more by finding deals on used parts, but you get the idea. I priced out the complete cost down to the last nut and bolt about 6 months ago to do a k24a2 swap and it just wasn't worth it to me in terms of cost when compared with power. When you get right down to it, a k-swap is one of the least cost effective power vs money swaps out there when you initially do it. The motors themselves aren't that expensive, its just all the **** you have to buy to put one in an integra or civic. Its just nickle and diming to death if you know what I mean by that. You get $3000 or $4000 into the motor then you need another $5000 worth of crap to actually make it work. You could go a lot faster for less.

EDIT: Here is a really rough list I made a while back. I couldn't find the detailed one I made. It will at least give you a general idea.

-K24a2 Engine: $1700
-Rsx-S Trans: $750
-Mfactory LSD: $700
-Rsx-S Engine Harness: $200
-Rsx-S Charge Harness: $50
-Hybrid Racing Harness: $350
-Hondata K-Pro: $1000
-Crv passenger side engine mount: $23
-PLM Header: $300
-Rsx-S Flywheel: $60
-Competition Stage 4 Clutch: $330
-Rsx-S knock sensor: $50
-Rsx-S Slave cylinder: $60
-Rsx-S Half Shaft: $115
-Hasport Swap Axles: $300
-Rsx-S Throttle Body: $150
-Innovative Swap Mounts: $380
-Karcepts Clutch Line: $75
-Hybrid Racing K Swap Radiator: $500
-K-Tuned Radiator Fan: $70
-Hybrid Racing Radiator Hoses: $80
-Hybrid Racing Shifter Box: $400
-Rsx-S Shifter cables: $80
-Shifter parts: $10
-Fuel System Parts: $250
-Hybrid Racing Throttle Cable and Bracket: $60
-Hybrid Racing Test Pipe: $90
-Hybrid Racing Cold Air Intake: $160
-Rsx S Oil Pump: $124 HPD
-Misc. Bolts: $100
-K-Tuned AC and PS Eliminator Kit: $240
-Misc. Gaskets and Seals: $100
-Misc Parts and Fluids: $150

dc_jdm_dreams

Well one of the reasons I am leaning more toward a K swap vs a B vtec swap is the altitude where I live makes it very hard to make good numbers with a b series swap. I am looking for around 250 whp In a daily driver and I believe (correct me if i am wrong) that is much easier to do with the Kseries platform vs. the Bseries. Plus having the novelty of owning a JDM front K20z1 swapped beast never hurts. IMO A Kseries with 250 whp is much more reliable the a Bseries with 250 whp. Even if they are both built right. And the K is cheaper to get to 250 then the B is. But thats my opinion. This topic could go on for pages.

rhymeshark916

A friend bought a K20R swap back in '08 for $5.5k and $1k brand new KPRO for his EP3. It was a plug and play project but in this case not for you. So you're bent on having 250?

oh5dc5r

it doesnt cost no 7,000 dollors..if u do ur research u can swap a k20..k24 for cheap..if ur frugal and can diy on some things it would help allot on the money side..you can do away with allot of the unecessary pieces..use allot of stock pieces from both cars..stock rsx computer with bypass..and i believe a few companys make swap kits..some starting at $1000 to make any k series work in a eg dc ek chassis..

and i own a 05 type s with mild na work..and it pulls almost as hard as my 95 supercharged gsr..10lbs

i would love to see some one port and polish a b18 head to flow as much as a stock k20 will..

and lastly it comes to preference on what u want..

A clean mild build() b18 $3000-$4000..you want all the baller parts..$99,999,999.99
A clean mild build() k20,k24,ect.. $3000-$5000..you want all the baller parts..$100,000,000.00

anybody can spend a crap load on something they dont need too

racebum

prices have improved slightly. www.jdmdirectimport.com has a few complete k20 type r swaps for under 5k right now.

one more advantage of the K type r that i almost forgot is oil burning. so far EVERY single b series type r that i've come across burns some degree of oil. the gem mint ones are a quart every 2000-3000 miles while most are a quart every 1200 or so.

i know rumors of unicorn b18c engines exist but i still have yet to see the type r in a b series that burns no oil.

mike:

I spent some time lurking k20a and the consenus was to buy a totaled car and take what you need. The swap locally would cost 5-6k thats for motor and mostly new parts. Just not cost effective in terms of power to $$. Spend the money on a turbo'd b series. A b20v/t could be had for the price of a k series swap. Since you already have an ls you could do a rebuild geared towards turbo or if you want all-motor.

racebum

as someone who's done a turbo b series before it's realistically near 10k

you will spend 4-5k on all the turbo gear, tune etc

you will also spend $2500 rebuilding the bottom end with good parts

a new itr head is $1500 or you could rebuild yours if you had a good one. add in a clutch, good motor mounts and you're just under 10k for a 300-350whp build

more whp with this build is just e85. could push past 400 to whatever the block could handle.

still it's realistically 10k all said and done unless you wait for quality used or roll the dice on what someone else is selling

then again it's a realistic 6-7k for a full K type r swap running and driving

oh5dc5r

go clubrsx..talk to those guys..they will help shed some light..

rhymeshark916

He's not flying to the moon. 250 is very do-able on a stock B18B/B16 series block for a budget. I mean JDM B18B blocks are ridiculously cheap. Hell B20B blocks are cheap. Both of these blocks run about $6-$700 at a shop locally. I should stock up.

racebum

250 could be done reliably on the LS

still are going to drop 4k on a quality turbo setup though by the time it's all done. maybe 3s if you shop smart. a go autoworks kit, wideband, boost gauge, tune, clutch

it limits how far you can push the engine using an LS but the whole thing could be done under 5k including the motor

dc_jdm_dreams

But I love Vtec!!!!!!!!!!!!