GOLDBERG

what are the advantages of each and which is best???in my opinion i think the gsr motor is the best allaround motor...LS/vtec has the downside of the ls block not being so strong and not being able too rev high... i need everyones info on what would be the best i am gonna turbo, and also bore out the gsr too 2.0 liters

Katman

torque is the meaty difference between them all.

Your choice of staying B18C is a good one. It can handle high revs because of how the crank and block are designed in unison, not to mention the better rod ratio this block has over the B18A/B bocks; and thanks to the lubricating system and special treatment Honda gives the DOHC VTEC blocks and cranks.

People will say 'you can make an LS/B20-Vtec engine reliable' bla bla bla....but in the long run, you can't go wrong with a 100% vtec engine; where the head, block, and lubing system are factory worked...and not through some external oil pressure line as on LS/B20-vtec setups.

....thats just my $.02 though...

PS:
Did I mention how the HT member know as "Martha Stewart Likes ****" gobbles up meat pipe?


[Modified by Katman, 4:14 PM 12/13/2002]

Lsos

I agree with everything Katman wrote.

Although I would pick a b16b over any of these motors, if that's related at all......

GOLDBERG

why would you pick the b16b???

Lsos

More power. I'll take a couple horses over a couple ft-lbs anyday, as well.

itrSteez

i'd rather just get a b18b sleeve it to 84 and then turbo it, t hat's my current plan.

ill phil

So I hear......

Oh yeah, stick with a GSR. If I wasn't a broke fool, I would definitely go that route instead of the LS/Vtec I'm starting. I know everyone's gonna say, it costs just as much in the long run- well, I got cheap PCT pistons, and already have b16 head, tranny, etc. So the rest can go into rebuilding the cheap LS block instead of a pricey GSR.

JDM92CX

Can someone inform me more on building a B16B going all motor. What's the best time you heard with a B16 at all going all motor?

Thanks

92b16vx

Really the difference doesn't off set the price,15hp more for 2000 bucks no way,you could get a b16a and get a head job that would murder for way less.

Lsos

I agree 100%, especially when you can get the b18c5 for the same price.

I just mentioned the b16b because it's my favorite out of the b16a, gsr, and b16b (overlooking the price factor). Just wanted to show my preference of motor, I guess. Some might argue differently due to its low displacement....

I don't think anyone is going to argue that the b18c5 is the ultimate out of all these.

turbocivic

Alright, knowing the facts a B18c5 would probably run you no less than 4000 dollars. Any professional honda mechanic will tell you that a B18C1 is a all around better motor to work on. A type r motor is a very hard motor to work on if you haven't done it already due to its high compression ratio. You can easily work a gsr motor to rape a type r any day of the week and still have a couple hundred more dollars till you get to the actual retail price of a type r motor.

Lsos

Yes, but stock for stock the Type R is much better hands down (overlooking price).
If you get a GSR up to Type R power levels, it will not last nearly as long.

If you're planning on building the thing up, I agree, go GSR, as you'll probably replace half the Type R parts anyways.

thomas

being that i got a ls/vtec in my coupe i say go ls/vtec b16 and b18c1 hatches can't touch me

V3locity

To really determine, I'd say we need to know what he plans to do with it. Nitrous, turbo, NA?? It depends on how much money and how crazy he wants to get. If money were no object, I'd go built LS with practically no stock parts. I can fix the RS with custom crank and rods. Yes a C1 is better but i want to prove that a NA 4cyl honda without VTEC can be fast.

Lsos

The point of VTEC imo, is not to make a fast car, but make a fast car reasonably drivable. Without VTEC you have to sacrifice speed or drivability way before if you had VTEC.

Kataku2K3

B18C B16A = torqueless stock B16B B16B with GSR crank, sleeved to 85mm, ITR rods, and 13.0:1 slugs haha, I just like the B16B engine stamp... I only know a couple people around my area with that stamp and it looks bad ***... hehe... Also LS/CRVTECs can make some really good power a couple of my friend's have non sleeved ones in their EK and Teg both are running mid to high 12's full interior... I would just stick with the 85mm B18C tho


[Modified by JDMspecEG6, 10:18 AM 12/16/2002]

Lsos

Was there a problem combining a GSR crank with ITR rods? I thought the rod bearing sizes on the two motors were different....

EM199dcs

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Katman &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">torque is the meaty difference between them all.

Your choice of staying B18C is a good one. It can handle high revs because of how the crank and block are designed in unison, not to mention the better rod ratio this block has over the B18A/B bocks; and thanks to the lubricating system and special treatment Honda gives the DOHC VTEC blocks and cranks.

People will say 'you can make an LS/B20-Vtec engine reliable' bla bla bla....but in the long run, you can't go wrong with a 100% vtec engine; where the head, block, and lubing system are factory worked...and not through some external oil pressure line as on LS/B20-vtec setups.

....thats just my $.02 though...

PS:
Did I mention how the HT member know as "Martha Stewart Likes ****" gobbles up meat pipe?


[Modified by Katman, 4:14 PM 12/13/2002]</TD></TR></TABLE>

Very smart man. I am getting a B18c5 block for my b16 head in my 99 si. then i will build the block and head, better fuel system then turbo it. But before any of that I need a good realiable block thats going to hold up through all that. B18c5 cant go wrong.

runeminaEF9

i'm amazed.....almost a whole page, and no flaming cuz he asked that question for the thousandth time, lol. seriously though, it all really does depend on your expectations from the project. the shorter stroke of the b16's will allow safer high revving, but also limit torque......vice versa with the 1.8 liter motors.....more stroke means more stress on the internals at higher revs....but in return you recieve more torque.

95TegSE

You guys do realize this question was asked over 3 years ago right?

Bense

the better question is, WHAT TRANNY!?

blucivicSl

i was waiting for someone to bring up trannys, that really gonna make a world of difference in your times

athbaseball23

bump

FirstHonda456

bump need more info!!!

ferio-ichi3

For the track, Id go with gsr tranny. nice middle point between short geared b16, and long geared b18b..but for a street car, id probably go with ls..i like gas mileage, and higher top end.