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Old 10-08-2015, 09:34 AM
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Spoiler alert...I'm less than an hour from the other Carolina. So while I'm in the drier Carolina (this time) I'm not very from all the wetness
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-again, the recall will be software related and will not have driveability issues once offered, why would they screw it up further?
Originally Posted by http://jalopnik.com/volkswagen-brass-didnt-know-about-defeat-devices-until-1735424919
-430,000 cars can’t be fixed by a software-only solution. A urea-based system, or a catylzer system, will need to be installed. It will be a “major fix.”
-Cars are anticipated to have a “one or two mile per hour top speed” performance loss. There’s no word on what that would do to power or acceleration specifically, but fuel consumption is expected to be the same
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LOL at TDI drivers having to carry a bottle of **** in their trunk and periodically refill it.

LOL at "top speed" being the chosen metric to obscure the performance hit.

Game. Set. Match.

Fair play to them for doing the right thing and going SCR, since software only would have absolutely crippled the car. Gonna cost 'em billions doe.
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TDI with retrofitted SCR just moved way up my "future used cars to buy hella cheap" list.
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LOL at TDI drivers having to carry a bottle of **** in their trunk and periodically refill it.

LOL at "top speed" being the chosen metric to obscure the performance hit.

Game. Set. Match.

Fair play to them for doing the right thing and going SCR, since software only would have absolutely crippled the car. Gonna cost 'em billions doe.
Yup the lawyers are already licking their chops. I've seen 2 different law firms with commercials on TV so far lol
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and i just meant expense for the massive re-engineering effort to retrofit a totally different catalyst + injection system on a half a million cars.
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LOL at TDI drivers having to carry a bottle of **** in their trunk and periodically refill it.

LOL at "top speed" being the chosen metric to obscure the performance hit.

Game. Set. Match.

Fair play to them for doing the right thing and going SCR, since software only would have absolutely crippled the car. Gonna cost 'em billions doe.
Prediction: Less than 100k of the 430k recalled will have the work performed.

If I even own the car by the time it gets recalled, I will "lose" the notice (unless there is a significant financial incentive)
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and i just meant expense for the massive re-engineering effort to retrofit a totally different catalyst + injection system on a half a million cars.
Yeah I knew what you meant but I was piling on VAG
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Prediction: Less than 100k of the 430k recalled will have the work performed.

If I even own the car by the time it gets recalled, I will "lose" the notice (unless there is a significant financial incentive)
I wouldn't be bothered either.
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Prediction: Less than 100k of the 430k recalled will have the work performed.
Prediction: Good luck renewing your car's registration.
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Prediction: Good luck renewing your car's registration.
Maybe in communistfornia but there are a lot states that dgf
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kinda doubt the feds are going to let this one slide. "something something never let a serious crisis go to waste."

please .gov save us from ourselves
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kinda doubt the feds are going to let this one slide. "something something never let a serious crisis go to waste."
Maybe but I have little faith in the Feds. I guess time will tell.

FWIW Archer has easily become my favoritest show on TV right now.
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greyout what was wrong with AP1 other than fuel pump?
1.5 of 6 syncros are on their way out

Rear end whines

pitted rear cv inner joints caused vibration under load

Trunk release didn't work

I expected it to be rough for the price paid, and its serving its purpose, which is apparently to hold parts in its stripped interior and my T-shirt on top of it while collecting dust while I work on my AP2.

There are racecar parts slowly piling up, so there is hope for it to see the light of day again.

Edit: Maybe I don't understand the token dealie completely, but I don't understand how updates from one season to another can be limited. I can see keeping costs down mid-season, but isn't it supposed to be back to the drawing board when the season is over?
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You expect the EPA to convince 50 different state's DOT to reject registrations for a recall? And properly process proof of recall being performed?

There is no precedent for that that I am aware of. The emissions testing stations might do it but that is only a handful of states (13 IIRC).
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Edit: Maybe I don't understand the token dealie completely, but I don't understand how updates from one season to another can be limited. I can see keeping costs down mid-season, but isn't it supposed to be back to the drawing board when the season is over?
i had the same problem. yes, each year an additional percentage of the engine architecture is frozen. so you can't start over each year.

they said it was for cost savings, but it really just locked in merc's dominance.
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You expect the EPA to convince 50 different state's DOT to reject registrations for a recall? And properly process proof of recall being performed?

There is no precedent for that that I am aware of.
Nor is there any precedent for the magnitude of this fuckup. But you're right as it stands now it is mostly in Communist Californiastan and other territories that are likely to have the issue.

I wouldn't bet against a .gov with rustled jimmies though.
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i had the same problem. yes, each year an additional percentage of the engine architecture is frozen. so you can't start over each year.

they said it was for cost savings, but it really just locked in merc's dominance.
Yeah, cost savings lol. So now instead of continually massaging the low hanging fruit the manufacturers are probably spending a ton more money trying out every possible solution for the areas they are allowed to work on. I'd bet the cost savings and impact on the team personnel actually end up being a net increase.

If they left the regs more open but held onto the 4 PU a season rule it would naturally enforce some cost savings and be more simple. Make the rules if you need another PU you get less fuel. Take away either 10 kg from the total amount of fuel or 3 kg/hr from the fuel flow limit for each extra PU used.
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Nor is there any precedent for the magnitude of this fuckup. But you're right as it stands now it is mostly in Communist Californiastan and other territories that are likely to have the issue.

I wouldn't bet against a .gov with rustled jimmies though.
I'd bet the only thing the Feds are concerned with is getting the money from VAG for whatever fine they come up with.
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Nah. Fed's are interesting in grandstanding. Whatever they get from VAG will barely cover the costs of the **** show that's coming. It's a public profile grab.

My brother intends to run away from the recall. He's in FL, so he ok. In states with emissions testing, I assume they'll expect evidence of the recall notice being performed or something.

Otherwise the car will just get into cheat mode again and pass.
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Live combat flyovers doe.

A certain # of GPs MUST be held in Europe, so this race is being called the European GP to comply.
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Yea yea I'm not worried about location, I'm worried about dem grid girls
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you mean puppies?
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First lap sucks because the track map is in the way but the second lap (starts roughly at 2:20) is pretty awesome.
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