MSR EK 1st build
01-07-2012, 05:38 AM
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Re: MSR EK 1st build
Some news...
Arrived the suspension stuff from Hardrace. Thanks to Kiwi and his good atenttion.
And the specific lexan windows for the civic , with dark edge.
Merry christmas!!
Arrived the suspension stuff from Hardrace. Thanks to Kiwi and his good atenttion.
And the specific lexan windows for the civic , with dark edge.
Merry christmas!!
01-08-2012, 03:41 AM
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01-08-2012, 10:51 AM
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Re: MSR EK 1st build
haha yes men... sorry for the misunderstanding.
I have the washers saved and it's only a test photo.
You are on detail ^^
I have the washers saved and it's only a test photo.
You are on detail ^^
01-10-2012, 03:59 AM
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Re: MSR EK 1st build
Yepp, looks very good. I'm happy with the spherical bearings cause it have rubber protection against the dust.
Superb quality too for the PCI stuff.
Superb quality too for the PCI stuff.
01-11-2012, 01:36 PM
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when those hardrace bearings prematurely fail, message me and i will point you in a better direction.
as for that shifter assembly, it looks nice but quite over enginered. why not just munt it to the tunnel (a k-series swap kit would probably work), shorten it with whatever they use for short throw shifters in the cable shifters, then extend the shift lever? less work, less weight.
as for that shifter assembly, it looks nice but quite over enginered. why not just munt it to the tunnel (a k-series swap kit would probably work), shorten it with whatever they use for short throw shifters in the cable shifters, then extend the shift lever? less work, less weight.
01-13-2012, 03:03 AM
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Re: MSR EK 1st build
when those hardrace bearings prematurely fail, message me and i will point you in a better direction.
as for that shifter assembly, it looks nice but quite over enginered. why not just munt it to the tunnel (a k-series swap kit would probably work), shorten it with whatever they use for short throw shifters in the cable shifters, then extend the shift lever? less work, less weight.
as for that shifter assembly, it looks nice but quite over enginered. why not just munt it to the tunnel (a k-series swap kit would probably work), shorten it with whatever they use for short throw shifters in the cable shifters, then extend the shift lever? less work, less weight.
I know their sphericals are not like Uniball race versions but after talk with some users , they are happy with the Hardrace and give an acceptable duration for it. Hope you are wrong with mines .. ha ha.
For the shifter matter... like we spoke , is not only to elevate and make a stable attachment but to get a dashboard support after cutting the stock structure. In addition , i think not the same thing to elevate the shifter getting the original hand like put it on the floor and put a long bar... little scary... bad tought, and long H
The total weight of the structure is 1,5kg
01-13-2012, 05:20 AM
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01-31-2012, 11:20 PM
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Re: MSR EK 1st build
Some news...
Arrived the new fuel cell. Thinking on the location, we decide put it onto the old fuel tank space but on a upper position cutting the passenger floor . Get the fuel line and service at same level as floor sheet, and leaving some room for the possible underfloor aero.
All the opinions are welcome.
Arrived the new fuel cell. Thinking on the location, we decide put it onto the old fuel tank space but on a upper position cutting the passenger floor . Get the fuel line and service at same level as floor sheet, and leaving some room for the possible underfloor aero.
All the opinions are welcome.
02-16-2012, 11:25 AM
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Re: MSR EK 1st build
SOme work done...
The chasis weld and roll cage is finish , waiting for the paint. Now is time for the undertray renovation and weld. The dash is bolted onto the roll cage and the new shifter column modified. The final "product"
We need to cut the frontal structure to shelter the new radiator, IC and oil cooler. The F engine is big!!
The fuel cell structure is done too, only left the upper closing. Taking advantage of the cell structure we will reinforce also the back-chassis.
And we have some bonus for the suspension stuff. The new camber kit from the Kiwi signature.
Regards
The chasis weld and roll cage is finish , waiting for the paint. Now is time for the undertray renovation and weld. The dash is bolted onto the roll cage and the new shifter column modified. The final "product"
We need to cut the frontal structure to shelter the new radiator, IC and oil cooler. The F engine is big!!
The fuel cell structure is done too, only left the upper closing. Taking advantage of the cell structure we will reinforce also the back-chassis.
And we have some bonus for the suspension stuff. The new camber kit from the Kiwi signature.
Regards
02-17-2012, 11:26 AM
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Some news...
After 1 month waiting for it, today arrive the coilover system. It's the RSS Clubsport version from H&R.
Liked the good technical support from factory cause they tell us for the car weights and suspension geometry to setup it.
The H&R people thinks 14kg front , 10Kg rear and 4kg front helper , 2kg rear. The strut setup is too set from they , and have one internal regulation.
IT comes all but top hats.
So.. we have old top hats from anohter suspension , the Sunk2 models
The final product
Now we need to find the good height setup and modify the steer rod to work without "bump"
Hope for the Hardrace package and will get all the suspension parts.
After 1 month waiting for it, today arrive the coilover system. It's the RSS Clubsport version from H&R.
Liked the good technical support from factory cause they tell us for the car weights and suspension geometry to setup it.
The H&R people thinks 14kg front , 10Kg rear and 4kg front helper , 2kg rear. The strut setup is too set from they , and have one internal regulation.
IT comes all but top hats.
So.. we have old top hats from anohter suspension , the Sunk2 models
The final product
Now we need to find the good height setup and modify the steer rod to work without "bump"
Hope for the Hardrace package and will get all the suspension parts.
02-17-2012, 11:29 AM
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Re: MSR EK 1st build
when those hardrace bearings prematurely fail, message me and i will point you in a better direction.
as for that shifter assembly, it looks nice but quite over enginered. why not just munt it to the tunnel (a k-series swap kit would probably work), shorten it with whatever they use for short throw shifters in the cable shifters, then extend the shift lever? less work, less weight.
as for that shifter assembly, it looks nice but quite over enginered. why not just munt it to the tunnel (a k-series swap kit would probably work), shorten it with whatever they use for short throw shifters in the cable shifters, then extend the shift lever? less work, less weight.
02-21-2012, 02:07 PM
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Re: MSR EK 1st build
Yep, i think you can find these H&R on your USA dealers cause I saw on some webpages.
About the balljoints, i know about the Kingpin models. We can custom-made something like these with Uniball or Aurora bearings here, is not difficult to us.
The problem is you need more money to buy only the bearing units than all the complete suspension kit with arms and regulators included from Hardrace. And , don't fall in trouble with us, it's a relatively "low cost" build.
I think Hardrace quality is enough to survive our needings looking to another drivers, cars and experiences. In addition, the Hardrace stuff includes all the arms and aluminium parts , imposible to imitate with the stock unit spherical converted.
Thanks for the comments exgr
About the balljoints, i know about the Kingpin models. We can custom-made something like these with Uniball or Aurora bearings here, is not difficult to us.
The problem is you need more money to buy only the bearing units than all the complete suspension kit with arms and regulators included from Hardrace. And , don't fall in trouble with us, it's a relatively "low cost" build.
I think Hardrace quality is enough to survive our needings looking to another drivers, cars and experiences. In addition, the Hardrace stuff includes all the arms and aluminium parts , imposible to imitate with the stock unit spherical converted.
Thanks for the comments exgr
02-21-2012, 02:31 PM
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sorry i missed this.
yea, i use kingpin machine throughout the entire car. if he makes it, i have it. i've beaten it up, gone off with it, the works. and its all still in great shape. kingpin customer service is 100% the best and i can't say enough about the quality. its not made to be mass produced, its made specific to go into a racecar and get the absolute crap licked out of it.
the hardrace stuff is ok, but the kingpin stuff is better.
yea, i use kingpin machine throughout the entire car. if he makes it, i have it. i've beaten it up, gone off with it, the works. and its all still in great shape. kingpin customer service is 100% the best and i can't say enough about the quality. its not made to be mass produced, its made specific to go into a racecar and get the absolute crap licked out of it.
the hardrace stuff is ok, but the kingpin stuff is better.
02-22-2012, 12:26 AM
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I see... it looks a good technical support and quality. If we need some upgrade on the future we will bear it in mind.
Thanks lo-buck!!
Thanks lo-buck!!
05-14-2012, 06:48 AM
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Re: MSR EK 1st build
Some news...
The undertray is done. All the protective putty out , reinforced weld, the spare wheel box cutted to fit the diffuser and painted new.
The front subframe and rear arms welded/painted. The PCi RTA on and the new ARP studs.
Finally we decide to modify the FLCA to get more caster angle and vias width. On some EF/DC trackday cars we try up to 5 degrees of caster and the car handling was great here. To gain it , traction bars were mouted. But for our car , we´re going to use bronze compilance bushing and we will not have possibility of modifying the caster angle turning the arm towards.
In addition, gain caster angle advancing the arms causes tightening of the toe angle.
So.... 16mm width and 28mm caster advance for the wheel hub.
After that, hardrace spherical bushings will be mounted and "our" bronze compilance bushing.
Traction bars no needed and weight will be saved.
Continue...
The undertray is done. All the protective putty out , reinforced weld, the spare wheel box cutted to fit the diffuser and painted new.
The front subframe and rear arms welded/painted. The PCi RTA on and the new ARP studs.
Finally we decide to modify the FLCA to get more caster angle and vias width. On some EF/DC trackday cars we try up to 5 degrees of caster and the car handling was great here. To gain it , traction bars were mouted. But for our car , we´re going to use bronze compilance bushing and we will not have possibility of modifying the caster angle turning the arm towards.
In addition, gain caster angle advancing the arms causes tightening of the toe angle.
So.... 16mm width and 28mm caster advance for the wheel hub.
After that, hardrace spherical bushings will be mounted and "our" bronze compilance bushing.
Traction bars no needed and weight will be saved.
Continue...
07-29-2012, 09:26 AM
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Re: MSR EK 1st build
Some news...
The chasis work is done and we put the spare engine onto the bay to design and make the mounts. The engine delayed to the firewall as possible and lowered to the limit with the splitter/pan clearance.
We take account too onto the shafts angle work properly.
The cockpit is done too with the grey colour applied.
And verifying the suspension parts working well.
After simulating the car's final height, we have seen a bit of bump-steer that we think to solve with some improvement on steering rod.
We get 1.2" front via width and the caster angle is on 5 degrees range. The improvement on the front LCA works.
With it, the camber angle is 4 dregrees with the Hardrace on the middle.
Now is time to apply the final paint and put all stuff on the car!
The last work will be the cooling/front/splitter system and build the new engine.
Regards!
The chasis work is done and we put the spare engine onto the bay to design and make the mounts. The engine delayed to the firewall as possible and lowered to the limit with the splitter/pan clearance.
We take account too onto the shafts angle work properly.
The cockpit is done too with the grey colour applied.
And verifying the suspension parts working well.
After simulating the car's final height, we have seen a bit of bump-steer that we think to solve with some improvement on steering rod.
We get 1.2" front via width and the caster angle is on 5 degrees range. The improvement on the front LCA works.
With it, the camber angle is 4 dregrees with the Hardrace on the middle.
Now is time to apply the final paint and put all stuff on the car!
The last work will be the cooling/front/splitter system and build the new engine.
Regards!
09-21-2012, 10:32 AM
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Re: MSR EK 1st build
We hope to finish this winter and go to the track next summer.
More work
The suspension /brake/ steering was installed to find any wrong design and to secure the bump-steer action with the new height.
Finally we have about 6 degrees of caster and 1,5" total front width plus. The camber is -3,5 degrees with the upper arm to middle.
Zero bump steer from the nominal work height to 2" up/down.
Needing to width the fenders ha ha ha
The frontal structure was cutted to put the new Accord Type -R radiator. The future IC comes at the front and the anti-fog holes will be brakes cooling. OIl cooler will suited rear the fender with a little air duct from the fog too.
The headlights was empty to put the turbo airbox in with an air duct.
Last, some advance for the cockpit. Mike finally the S2000 cluster with a new position. Cause the steering column was down 2" the cluster saw just inline with the wheel. Is for that we cut the gauge and positioned the cluster 2" front and change the angle to put in inside the steering wheel area.
Finally we got a FN2 Civic shifter cause is shorted and lighter than the old Prelude series.
Regards!
More work
The suspension /brake/ steering was installed to find any wrong design and to secure the bump-steer action with the new height.
Finally we have about 6 degrees of caster and 1,5" total front width plus. The camber is -3,5 degrees with the upper arm to middle.
Zero bump steer from the nominal work height to 2" up/down.
Needing to width the fenders ha ha ha
The frontal structure was cutted to put the new Accord Type -R radiator. The future IC comes at the front and the anti-fog holes will be brakes cooling. OIl cooler will suited rear the fender with a little air duct from the fog too.
The headlights was empty to put the turbo airbox in with an air duct.
Last, some advance for the cockpit. Mike finally the S2000 cluster with a new position. Cause the steering column was down 2" the cluster saw just inline with the wheel. Is for that we cut the gauge and positioned the cluster 2" front and change the angle to put in inside the steering wheel area.
Finally we got a FN2 Civic shifter cause is shorted and lighter than the old Prelude series.
Regards!
Coming along very nice.
11-04-2012, 10:20 AM
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Re: MSR EK 1st build
Some news... the car was bolted and moved to our new workshop , still in construction.
The engine mounts are already for the urethane inserts phase. The engine has been delayed so much as the EK's subchassis allow to do it. The final height is enough to pass the undertray floor and leave some clearance with the track.
These photos are with the spare F22 engine and prototype mounts made with nylon.
Delay
Height , still to low a little bit.
And finally , after some test with another F-turbo engine on 15"s we decide to build the car with a wheel diameter of 17". The Dunlops are 23" tall for the 15" version and 24" tall for the 17" version. The test with a 240whp engine and 15" slicks was scary , still with LSD.
With the 17" wheel test the traction was improved and we can extract full potential from the engine.
For sure, the wheels will be painted gold like the old version.
To allow the 17"s the flanders have been expanded and opened on the back part supporting the original civic line.
Lights , mounts , bumper was expanded too.
The final image
Now to the paint work !
The engine mounts are already for the urethane inserts phase. The engine has been delayed so much as the EK's subchassis allow to do it. The final height is enough to pass the undertray floor and leave some clearance with the track.
These photos are with the spare F22 engine and prototype mounts made with nylon.
Delay
Height , still to low a little bit.
And finally , after some test with another F-turbo engine on 15"s we decide to build the car with a wheel diameter of 17". The Dunlops are 23" tall for the 15" version and 24" tall for the 17" version. The test with a 240whp engine and 15" slicks was scary , still with LSD.
With the 17" wheel test the traction was improved and we can extract full potential from the engine.
For sure, the wheels will be painted gold like the old version.
To allow the 17"s the flanders have been expanded and opened on the back part supporting the original civic line.
Lights , mounts , bumper was expanded too.
The final image
Now to the paint work !
