Heat Management Testing and Analysis (DEI heat wrap, turbo blanket, heat tape)
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Re: Heat Management Testing and Analysis (DEI heat wrap, turbo blanket, heat tape)
Ok sorry for the delay but I have the wide open throttle results. A slight increase in temperature was noted from the probe in the throttle body. However a slight decrease in IAT's were noted at the same time.
As long as everything goes according to plan, I would like to build a cold air intake box and intake pipe to run to my turbo. Right now my turbo is sucking in all the hot air that's coming from the radiator. After doing this a drop in charge piping and IAT's are expected. Stay tuned.
As long as everything goes according to plan, I would like to build a cold air intake box and intake pipe to run to my turbo. Right now my turbo is sucking in all the hot air that's coming from the radiator. After doing this a drop in charge piping and IAT's are expected. Stay tuned.
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Re: Heat Management Testing and Analysis (DEI heat wrap, turbo blanket, heat tape)
Have a few updates. I was able to build my Cold Air Intake box for my turbo this past weekend. Came out pretty nice. I made a template out of card board and then went back and transferred the template to some sheet metal that I had. All I have to do now is purchase a 3" hole saw and weld some tabs for mounting. I'm also going to fab some 3" piping from the intake box to my turbo. This should lower both my charge piping temperatures and intake air temperatures for sure! The intake box and pipe will be wrapped in the reflect a gold heat tape after more data is taken.
Keep checking back for more updates.
Keep checking back for more updates.
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Def can't wait to see final product
02-06-2013, 03:30 PM
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Re: Heat Management Testing and Analysis (DEI heat wrap, turbo blanket, heat tape)
I'm going to a buddies shop on Friday and using his hole saw. So it should be done on Friday, we will see. I will post pics though.
02-07-2013, 03:12 AM
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Re: Heat Management Testing and Analysis (DEI heat wrap, turbo blanket, heat tape)
You didn't over look anything lol, I have to use my 3" hole saw to cut a hole in the bottom of the box so I can run a pipe through the frame rail (existing hole) and out to the front of the bumper. I'm going to gather data with and without a ram air effect to see if it alters temperatures in any way. All of this should be done on friday
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^^Thats what I guessed was gonna happen but I thought I missed it. You are doin a big favor for a lot of people lol.
02-08-2013, 04:56 AM
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Are you going to have a cone filter sitting inside the box, or did you shape the box to fit a particular drop-in filter?
Edit: I don't see a way to open the box?
Edit: I don't see a way to open the box?
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Re: Heat Management Testing and Analysis (DEI heat wrap, turbo blanket, heat tape)
I'm not really sure which one I'm going to use. I'm currently doing research to find out maybe the pro's and cons to both. I wouldn't mind a little input on this, so feel free to shed some ideas on this. Right now I'm just going to make everything and run a cone filter on the other side of the air box. As of right now there is not a lot of room inside of the box and most cone filters that I've found were too big. Let me know what you guys think.
02-09-2013, 07:01 PM
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Re: Heat Management Testing and Analysis (DEI heat wrap, turbo blanket, heat tape)
Got the cold air intake box done today, forgot to take a picture after I ran to autozone and grabbed another coupler, but its on there. Not really sure if my mind is playing tricks on me but it does feel like the car pulls a little different. I'm pulling fresh air from the frame rail right now, but I'm eventually going to run a pipe to the existing fog light housing for even colder air. On to the pics (oh yeah I ran out of the gold heat tape) and don't laugh at my crappy welding. Will have some data very soon to document any changes in my IAT's.
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Re: Heat Management Testing and Analysis (DEI heat wrap, turbo blanket, heat tape)
Looks nice. You are going to need a functional flex joint in there. When the engine rotates back under acceleration, turbo moves up and pipe needs to rotate relative to air box. You might want to shorten the pipe near the airbox and add a couple of flex connectors at each end. Beads all around each end of the pipe will help hold the couplers on over the long run. Heat and vibration are your worst enemies.
02-11-2013, 06:48 AM
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Looks nice. You are going to need a functional flex joint in there. When the engine rotates back under acceleration, turbo moves up and pipe needs to rotate relative to air box. You might want to shorten the pipe near the airbox and add a couple of flex connectors at each end. Beads all around each end of the pipe will help hold the couplers on over the long run. Heat and vibration are your worst enemies.
02-11-2013, 12:23 PM
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Re: Heat Management Testing and Analysis (DEI heat wrap, turbo blanket, heat tape)
I love the gold too, makes it look all official lol!!
02-11-2013, 12:58 PM
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this thread is awesome
thank you for putting time into this. i have been questioning and trying things with heat management for a little while now.
thank you for putting time into this. i have been questioning and trying things with heat management for a little while now.
02-11-2013, 01:17 PM
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02-11-2013, 09:13 PM
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I still don't understand the giant box in between the filter and the engine.
The purpose of an airbox is to hold an air filter that is big enough to give the flow you need, while sucking in air from somewhere else (like in the fender, i.e. an OEM setup). If the filter is not in the box, the only possible function I can see this box could have would be to act as a resonator to change the sound of the engine.
Performance wise, this box would just cause the air to slow down and speed back up on its way from the filter to the TB... which, aside from the issue of air slowing down and speeding up for no reason, will give it a little more time to soak up some heat.
A custom air box would be something that you can open, and would be shaped in such a way that you could install an air filter (K&N I would assume) that would be much larger then stock.... say, maybe a filter meant for an LS1 or something. Like a factory box, only bigger and shaped to the filter you want to use.
If you want a cone filter in the fender, a simple pipe to the filter would be better.
Not trying to give you a hard time, and I love this thread. Just trying to figure this particular part of the thread out.
Edit: Re-reading your post, I read it as this is a temporary setup until you figure out how you're going to put a filter in the system. If you want to use the box, I would recommend installing an opening on the top of the box that, when closed, is air tight, and then put a cone filter inside the box. However, it would be a simpler, lighter weight setup if you ran the pipe into the fender w/o the box, and then continued the pipe forward into the bumper area, sticking a cone filter on the end so that the filter was sitting right behind your foglight opening.
The purpose of an airbox is to hold an air filter that is big enough to give the flow you need, while sucking in air from somewhere else (like in the fender, i.e. an OEM setup). If the filter is not in the box, the only possible function I can see this box could have would be to act as a resonator to change the sound of the engine.
Performance wise, this box would just cause the air to slow down and speed back up on its way from the filter to the TB... which, aside from the issue of air slowing down and speeding up for no reason, will give it a little more time to soak up some heat.
A custom air box would be something that you can open, and would be shaped in such a way that you could install an air filter (K&N I would assume) that would be much larger then stock.... say, maybe a filter meant for an LS1 or something. Like a factory box, only bigger and shaped to the filter you want to use.
If you want a cone filter in the fender, a simple pipe to the filter would be better.
Not trying to give you a hard time, and I love this thread. Just trying to figure this particular part of the thread out.
Edit: Re-reading your post, I read it as this is a temporary setup until you figure out how you're going to put a filter in the system. If you want to use the box, I would recommend installing an opening on the top of the box that, when closed, is air tight, and then put a cone filter inside the box. However, it would be a simpler, lighter weight setup if you ran the pipe into the fender w/o the box, and then continued the pipe forward into the bumper area, sticking a cone filter on the end so that the filter was sitting right behind your foglight opening.
02-12-2013, 03:30 AM
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I've thought of designing something similar for my ef.. My design was more of a heat shield that sealed to the hood kind of like the one my friend has on his supra.
02-12-2013, 07:16 AM
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I still don't understand the giant box in between the filter and the engine.
The purpose of an airbox is to hold an air filter that is big enough to give the flow you need, while sucking in air from somewhere else (like in the fender, i.e. an OEM setup). If the filter is not in the box, the only possible function I can see this box could have would be to act as a resonator to change the sound of the engine.
Performance wise, this box would just cause the air to slow down and speed back up on its way from the filter to the TB... which, aside from the issue of air slowing down and speeding up for no reason, will give it a little more time to soak up some heat.
A custom air box would be something that you can open, and would be shaped in such a way that you could install an air filter (K&N I would assume) that would be much larger then stock.... say, maybe a filter meant for an LS1 or something. Like a factory box, only bigger and shaped to the filter you want to use.
If you want a cone filter in the fender, a simple pipe to the filter would be better.
Not trying to give you a hard time, and I love this thread. Just trying to figure this particular part of the thread out.
Edit: Re-reading your post, I read it as this is a temporary setup until you figure out how you're going to put a filter in the system. If you want to use the box, I would recommend installing an opening on the top of the box that, when closed, is air tight, and then put a cone filter inside the box. However, it would be a simpler, lighter weight setup if you ran the pipe into the fender w/o the box, and then continued the pipe forward into the bumper area, sticking a cone filter on the end so that the filter was sitting right behind your foglight opening.
The purpose of an airbox is to hold an air filter that is big enough to give the flow you need, while sucking in air from somewhere else (like in the fender, i.e. an OEM setup). If the filter is not in the box, the only possible function I can see this box could have would be to act as a resonator to change the sound of the engine.
Performance wise, this box would just cause the air to slow down and speed back up on its way from the filter to the TB... which, aside from the issue of air slowing down and speeding up for no reason, will give it a little more time to soak up some heat.
A custom air box would be something that you can open, and would be shaped in such a way that you could install an air filter (K&N I would assume) that would be much larger then stock.... say, maybe a filter meant for an LS1 or something. Like a factory box, only bigger and shaped to the filter you want to use.
If you want a cone filter in the fender, a simple pipe to the filter would be better.
Not trying to give you a hard time, and I love this thread. Just trying to figure this particular part of the thread out.
Edit: Re-reading your post, I read it as this is a temporary setup until you figure out how you're going to put a filter in the system. If you want to use the box, I would recommend installing an opening on the top of the box that, when closed, is air tight, and then put a cone filter inside the box. However, it would be a simpler, lighter weight setup if you ran the pipe into the fender w/o the box, and then continued the pipe forward into the bumper area, sticking a cone filter on the end so that the filter was sitting right behind your foglight opening.