EGhachiback

Hello HT,

I have acquired this wing (dont judge me) :
https://honda-tech.com/honda-acura-2...2312850/page6/
Page 5, Post#123 shows best pic of hardware

I'm looking to find suitable brackets for a cf trunk that I can rivet on my hatch or something for the supporting rods, any suggestions ?
I found these "http://www.ebay.com/itm/ALL23252-Spoiler-Support-Bracket-Allstar-Performance-ALL23252-Each-/151225416238?hash=item2335bcba2e&vxp=mtr" and they say that these are 11.7in. long. I am not going to need that much so maybe I can cut it down in half and rivet on them that way ?


Also in some of the pics in the forum I added is some bars coming out the hatch glass where the strut was located, I was wondering what brand or bar that is ?

or these

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/73...6f48c58292.jpg

Thanks !

liam821

Why don't you use the PCI wing mounts? You'll probably have to modify them a little bit, but they work well. I use the PCI wing mounts with an APR GT (copy) wing without issue.

PCI Rear Wing Mounts | Password JDM

EGhachiback

I was hoping for a more sleek look by retaining my supporting rods , if that's the route I have to go with I will . Also was hoping for something being more cost effective

Thank you

dirty19

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Those small bearing ends will break over time from vibration...
You'll need something more sturdy like the PCI
Race proven too!

liam821

This. The forces at over 100mph are huge with a big wing, you really need something like the PCI brackets - they're super strong. Those tiny rods just won't do.

Reyes

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x3 for the PCI brackets. They are the best solution for these cars. and very nice quality. I am using their airfoil as well.

...esteban

Those rods in compression are very strong. I'm not saying his setup won't fail, but to suggest a cylinder can't handle vertical loads is kinda ehhhhhhhh not really true.

EDIT: Reyes, car looks awesome btw.

90civichbsi

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I agree with the others about the PCI brackets being the best option for your civic. I had to build my own as there are not any currently on the market for my car. If you still want to go that route, this is how I did it:

I welded 1/8" steel tabs to the underside of the stock spoiler. Built aluminum brackets to attach from there to the wing and on the bottom of the hatch. The aluminum brackets are connected by 16" aluminum shifter rods and 3/8" rod ends. The original APR rods are still used at the top for wing adjustment. There is no flex in this system other than the movement of the stock hatch. I will eventually make the bottom connect to the rear bumper support to get rid of any flex from the hatch. I currently just prefer the ease of not having to undo any bolts to access the hatch when transporting tools to the track. I have 3 track days on this setup so far without any issues.



I'd be happy to share more info if you are interested

While materials were not too expensive, if time were accounted for in the cost of fabbing/building the brackets and I had an option like PCI for my car; the PCI brackets would have been much cheaper. I enjoy building parts as much as I do driving the car so time isn't much of a factor for me.

90civichbsi

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If the existing rod setup for that wing is stable enough, you could make your own lower brackets if you have access to the basic tools needed. Jigsaw to cut, belt sander (to shape/smooth them) Drill press or drill for the rivet holes and a bit of patience.

https://www.onlinemetals.com/merchan...=62&top_cat=60
or
https://www.onlinemetals.com/merchan...=62&top_cat=60

dirty19

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IDK about riveting something like that to a car.... again vibration.

90civichbsi

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You are right. I am not sure how well that would hold either. It was mentioned in the original post, but I should not have recommended it. My brackets are all bolted or welded. That's what I would do if you can on the 92-95 civic.

liam821

The rods can hold a large vertical load no doubt, but its the horizontal and vibration back and forth that they won't do much good at.

90civichbsi

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That would be the issue with his current setup for sure. On his, the top brackets are only used as a pivot point for the front and all of the rear load is on the vertical rods. If the top brackets supported the whole wing, not just the front bolts, horizontal load on the rods should be minimal.

As for the rod ends as a weak point, mcmaster carr sells non spherical solid rod ends as well.

dirty19

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Solid mounts like the pci will cover all areas, and the least likely to fail under any direction of load.
Better to cover angles and be assured your set up doesn't break while on track.

mdb4879

I wish the PCI brackets were SMF legal *sigh*

Sorry to thread jack, but it may he relevant depending on the OP's application. Would there be some simple yet functional way to make a "quick release" for the lower mounts for the PCI brackets? Doing this would make the tailgate and hatch remain functional, but I'm not sure if there is a secure and sturdy/rigid solution.

dirty19

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Just my uneducated guess but I am sure one could come up with a mechanism that would allow for a quick release pin type of mount bottom
Maybe a pivoting upper mount top so the wing could move up with the hatch.
However that would put play in the rigid mounts its self.
I don't think id want any play in a piece of aero.
Maybe talk to Kiwi and see what he thinks?

liam821

The whole thing comes off with 4 bolts - wing and everything. I thought about having a quick release type setup like dirty posted above, but the four bolts that bolt the struts to the mounting tabs which is screwed to the body add a lot of rigidity, so I decided against it.

flip_nl

My current wing setup, not satisfied at all. Propably will go for a BYC/pci style mount in the near future.





Edit:

I like this design two:

90civichbsi

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Clearances would have to be perfect to make that type a viable option. I have considered using cam levers for the lower bolts when I end up attaching the wing to the bumper support. It wouldn't be as fast to remove as a quick release pin, but it wouldn't require any tools and should hold as tight as a normal bolt/nut.