2000 civic limits.
08-10-2015, 10:37 AM
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2000 civic limits.
So I have came to accepting that making a civic ek fast without a power adder is unreasonable.
After taking it out for a drive the other day I came to realize I can barely handle the power it has now as it is (around a turn).
Ive always focused on hp numbers and not torque or powerband.
My question is how fast can you take 90 degree turn in a completely bone stock civic hx with no lsd?
I watched a video on Edmunds showing that a bone stock civic si holds grip on a skidpad to G 0.88, that would be interpreted to about 30mph around a 90 degree turn tops correct? And is that under power or off the throttle?
I apologize in advance if I'm not interpreting any of this incorrectly, I really don't know much about handling but I sure would like to learn.
After taking it out for a drive the other day I came to realize I can barely handle the power it has now as it is (around a turn).
Ive always focused on hp numbers and not torque or powerband.
My question is how fast can you take 90 degree turn in a completely bone stock civic hx with no lsd?
I watched a video on Edmunds showing that a bone stock civic si holds grip on a skidpad to G 0.88, that would be interpreted to about 30mph around a 90 degree turn tops correct? And is that under power or off the throttle?
I apologize in advance if I'm not interpreting any of this incorrectly, I really don't know much about handling but I sure would like to learn.
08-11-2015, 08:52 AM
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Re: 2000 civic limits.
g acceleration = ( (v mile / hour ) (5280 feet/mile) (1 hour / 3600 secs) )^2 / ( (radius (feet)) * (32.174 feet / sec^2) g acceleration ~ = speed^2 * 0.067 / radius
Example, 30 mph with a 75 foot radius turn would be about .8 g's.
reference: https://www.physicsforums.com/thread...corner.727746/
08-11-2015, 03:27 PM
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Re: 2000 civic limits.
So I have came to accepting that making a civic ek fast without a power adder is unreasonable.
K24-26 built right will put this myth to rest easily, 300+hp and 200+tq in a 22-2500lb civic will be a formidable track car.
After taking it out for a drive the other day I came to realize I can barely handle the power it has now as it is (around a turn).
Which is why many people will invest in cages, braces, sway bars, coilovers, adjustable/lightened control arms, tires, aero splitters/lips/canards/wings/diffusers as well as LSD and brakes when they increase power.
I've always focused on hp numbers and not torque or powerband.
This is a mistake for a track car. On an all-out drag car, hp #s are essential but, on a track(aka one with turns) car, area under the curve/mid-range/response and drivability are key.
My question is how fast can you take 90 degree turn in a completely bone stock civic hx with no lsd?
Depends on width of the road and the balance of weight upon turning, but why you would expect stellar results from a "stock" fwd economy car is beyond me. LSD and tire/susp/bracing mods are necessary to turn your economy car into something that can corner with the best of them. Which, if you look at it from a financial perspective, it's still way cheaper to do than buying something with the same lateral G's to begin with.
I watched a video on Edmunds showing that a bone stock civic si holds grip on a skidpad to G 0.88, that would be interpreted to about 30mph around a 90 degree turn tops correct? And is that under power or off the throttle?
Which isn't bad on a skidpad considering 100% stock with high ride height, small tires, no structural bracing or adjustment and "soft" springs. Much can be done with aftermarket support, that number can change radically to high .9-over 1G with some modification. Remember OEMs setup cars for comfort first and handling second. Some drastic improvement can be made by putting cornering ability first.
I apologize in advance if I'm not interpreting any of this incorrectly, I really don't know much about handling but I sure would like to learn.
I respect your humbleness and willingness to learn.
K24-26 built right will put this myth to rest easily, 300+hp and 200+tq in a 22-2500lb civic will be a formidable track car.
After taking it out for a drive the other day I came to realize I can barely handle the power it has now as it is (around a turn).
Which is why many people will invest in cages, braces, sway bars, coilovers, adjustable/lightened control arms, tires, aero splitters/lips/canards/wings/diffusers as well as LSD and brakes when they increase power.
I've always focused on hp numbers and not torque or powerband.
This is a mistake for a track car. On an all-out drag car, hp #s are essential but, on a track(aka one with turns) car, area under the curve/mid-range/response and drivability are key.
My question is how fast can you take 90 degree turn in a completely bone stock civic hx with no lsd?
Depends on width of the road and the balance of weight upon turning, but why you would expect stellar results from a "stock" fwd economy car is beyond me. LSD and tire/susp/bracing mods are necessary to turn your economy car into something that can corner with the best of them. Which, if you look at it from a financial perspective, it's still way cheaper to do than buying something with the same lateral G's to begin with.
I watched a video on Edmunds showing that a bone stock civic si holds grip on a skidpad to G 0.88, that would be interpreted to about 30mph around a 90 degree turn tops correct? And is that under power or off the throttle?
Which isn't bad on a skidpad considering 100% stock with high ride height, small tires, no structural bracing or adjustment and "soft" springs. Much can be done with aftermarket support, that number can change radically to high .9-over 1G with some modification. Remember OEMs setup cars for comfort first and handling second. Some drastic improvement can be made by putting cornering ability first.
I apologize in advance if I'm not interpreting any of this incorrectly, I really don't know much about handling but I sure would like to learn.
I respect your humbleness and willingness to learn.
08-13-2015, 05:53 PM
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Re: 2000 civic limits.
There are too many variables to really say. Not only in the car, but in the driver. Driving style can also affect how a car apparently handles and how fast it can go around a turn. The others have all given good advice on the variable. One I'd like to add is tires. Tire compound can make a huge difference. If you were on R-comps you could easily corner at more than 1G. I've even heard stories of Stock class Integras (and possibly Civics) back in the day having so much grip they rolled over at Solo Nat's. Granted, these are (mostly) stock suspension cars with really grippy tires on concrete in a lot of heat with a lot of rubber being layed down in the same spots.
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