del sol buyer's guide & model year changes?
I'm new to the "4" wheel Honda world...I have a Honda motorcycle.
Anyway, I've been looking for a VTEC Del Sol and can't seem to find any guidance or comparisons of the different years. From several searches I've got some basic info and lots of confusion. 1. Engines...B16A3 and B16A2 seem to be the DOHC VTEC motors? Are there any differences in compression ratios, connecting rods, HP, TQ? What year did the engine change? I've seen posts with overlapping years so I'm not sure what is the correct motor for what years. Which is considered the better engine? 2. OBDII...is 96 the first year for the Del Sol? Which is better for future performance mods, OBDI or OBDII? Is one more difficult to deal with? I know you must get a special reader for OBDII (not a big deal). 3. Leaking roof seals...were these fixed for all 95s or during the middle of 95? Can older Del Sols be fixed? Any other notable mechanical, interior, exterior model changes from year to year? Thanks for any info, tom |
Re: del sol buyer's guide & model year changes? (odie)
go to http://www.teamdelsol.com or http://www.solcal.com
they have all the specs and info you need. hope that helps. |
Re: del sol buyer's guide & model year changes? (whoDAT)
the "www.solcal.com" doesn't seem to work. https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emsad.gif
but the first web site was great https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...es/emsmile.gif https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif ...but it didn't seem to discuss any differences between the B16A2 vs B16A3 engines or the OBD vs OBDII systems. I'm wondering if the difference in engines was just from the change to OBDII in 1996...perhaps minor changes to sensors, and other external engine components toe the OBDII system [Modified by odie, 5:55 PM 1/16/2003] |
Re: del sol buyer's guide & model year changes? (odie)
1. i know the 94 b16a3 revs to 8.2k, dont know about the 95, the 96-97 b16a2 revs to 8k, but i think there all the same hp/tq
2. yes, idk 3. my 94 will drip once in a great while, its not even a consistant drip either, i think u can buy new seals [Modified by solRNY, 6:54 PM 1/16/2003] |
Re: del sol buyer's guide & model year changes? (odie)
1. Engines...B16A3 and B16A2 seem to be the DOHC VTEC motors? Are there any differences in compression ratios, connecting rods, HP, TQ? What year did the engine change? I've seen posts with overlapping years so I'm not sure what is the correct motor for what years. Which is considered the better engine? 2. OBDII...is 96 the first year for the Del Sol? Which is better for future performance mods, OBDI or OBDII? Is one more difficult to deal with? I know you must get a special reader for OBDII (not a big deal). 3. Leaking roof seals...were these fixed for all 95s or during the middle of 95? Can older Del Sols be fixed? Any other notable mechanical, interior, exterior model changes from year to year? Another option for you is to get an Si model (has all the "creature comforts" unlike the base S model) and swap in a DOHC VTEC motor. Obviously a high mileage 93 Si will be cheaper, though you may have to do some door ding and rock chip removal (new paint) but you'll likely be able to save some money and have a newer engine. Just food for thought. Steve P.S. Take a look at my page......link in sig. [Modified by stevecockrill, 1:22 PM 1/17/2003] |
Re: del sol buyer's guide & model year changes? (stevecockrill)
it sounds like the only difference between the B16A2 and B16A3 is the OBDII issue with the pre-96 OBDI engines being a little easier to modify. https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emwink.gif
As for the 1.6 Si models, it appears I would loose the ABS and the brakes are 9.44" vs 10.44". https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emsad.gif But the 1.6 Si appears to have a slightly taller 5th gear for better highway cruising. https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...es/emsmile.gif What are the differences in HP & TQ output? The DOHC VTEC has about 35 more HP but the rating is at 1000 rpm higher. Is there any place that posts HP & TQ graphs? I wounder if the extra HP for the DOHC is all upper rpm where the VTEC kicks in. The TQ ratings for both engine are almost identical. Which engine would be a better for a turbo kit? I'm guessing the Si due to it's lower CR. Less problem with detonation and boost limits. Do the 1.6 SOHC Si and 1.6 DOHC VTEC share the same suspension or are the springs and sway bars different. Any steering differences? I guess a 95+ Si would be a good alternative if the price difference would pay for a turbo kit or enough mods to boost the HP to DOHC levels. https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emwink.gif |
Re: del sol buyer's guide & model year changes? (odie)
Steve, you know your Sols https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/embeer.gif
In my opinion, there is no substitute for the VTEC model. Picking up a used Si will be cheaper, but you are getting small brakes and a horrible suspension. The Si doesn't even have a rear sway. All the B16's power comes above VTEC. In a drag race between an Si model and a VTEC, it would be close until the VTEC Sol shifted into second gear. 3rd gear it would start to walk away. Since you're used to motorcycles, I assume you would enjoy the B16 a lot more, if only because of its enthusiastic (relatively) top end as opposed to the fairly lethargic D16. Finally, a turbocharged VTEC would eat a turbocharged Si any day (equal mods). The only reason that I would pick up an Si is if I had the money to get the turbo and get a Hondata (or whatever engine management you prefer) in and tuned. |
Re: del sol buyer's guide & model year changes? (delsolguy)
Good luck finding a del Sol VTEC in good shape. I'd say just get a del Sol S and swap in the B16. Probably save money in the long run rather than buying one with low miles. The only reason I got the Si was because the guy was moving the next week and had to sell it pronto. So I chopped his legs off with the price. It's your money I'm just adding my .02.
Edit: Also, the Si is "quick". If you want a fast car I'd suggest the VTEC. I personally will be swapping soon. Haven't decided if I want to go LS Turbo or GS-R. [Modified by Happyman, 1:59 PM 1/17/2003] |
Re: del sol buyer's guide & model year changes? (odie)
it sounds like the only difference between the B16A2 and B16A3 is the OBDII issue with the pre-96 OBDI engines being a little easier to modify. https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emwink.gif As for the 1.6 Si models, it appears I would loose the ABS and the brakes are 9.44" vs 10.44". https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emsad.gif But the 1.6 Si appears to have a slightly taller 5th gear for better highway cruising. https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...es/emsmile.gif My B16A2 w/S4C tranny (from a 99 Civic Si) runs at 4krpm at 75mph roughly in 5th. Its not bad at all. What are the differences in HP & TQ output? The DOHC VTEC has about 35 more HP but the rating is at 1000 rpm higher. Is there any place that posts HP & TQ graphs? http://personalwebs.myriad.net/delso...es/overlay.JPG The fat lines are the DOHC VTEC motor, the thin ones are the SOHC VTEC motor. From my page (link in sig, click MENU then DYNO for details) I wounder if the extra HP for the DOHC is all upper rpm where the VTEC kicks in. The TQ ratings for both engine are almost identical. Which engine would be a better for a turbo kit? I'm guessing the Si due to it's lower CR. Less problem with detonation and boost limits. Do the 1.6 SOHC Si and 1.6 DOHC VTEC share the same suspension or are the springs and sway bars different. Any steering differences? I guess a 95+ Si would be a good alternative if the price difference would pay for a turbo kit or enough mods to boost the HP to DOHC levels. https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emwink.gif Steve |
Re: del sol buyer's guide & model year changes? (Happyman)
Lots of good info...
It sounds like my initial impressions were correct, the DOHC model is probably what I'll be looking for once I sell the spare Harley this spring. Thanks guys, Tom |
Re: del sol buyer's guide & model year changes? (odie)
Go obd1 if possible, they respond alot better to modification, and a harness is not needed to run a chipped ECU.
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