cp piston wrist pin
hi i was wondering whats the max power made on a standard cp piston wrist pin.
im building a fully built h22 but i forgot to upgrade the wrist pin. i would hate for that to be my down fall on my build. if this question is in the wrong location i apologize. |
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Nobody is going to have an answer that's worth a damn. Your best bet would be to call CP and ask what they're designed to handle.
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a close friend of mine made 700whp on off the shelf CP pistons
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when I called CP and asked them they said between 5 and 600, but there are people on this forum making 1000ish on stock wrist pins...I personally have the upgraded ones just for peace of mind.
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thanks guys.
my budget is on its final string so i think im just gonna run the standard wrist pin and get the car dialed in. then upgrade when my money back to par. gonna enjoy what i have for now. thanks again. |
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for those who have upgraded pins (primarily CP), did you have to hone out the small end of the rod and/or wristpin opening in the piston to add clearance? or did you just run the upgrade .180 wall pin in the standard piston and rod? Thanks!
Lou |
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On all of our engines, we have them Pin fit at the machine shop. Wiesco/JE/CP all of em. You'd be surprised how off some of them are.
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Its usually just a thicker wall pin same outer diameter, inner diameter is smaller and the material is of course stronger. Why not just upgrade pins, its like 75 bucks more to upgrade wrist pins. I ran my standard pins to 650+whp without problems but im not chancing it with the new power goals of 800+, not much money for peace of mind.
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yea you always need rods hone at machine shop...they come tight....
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Thanks guys. I was told by some popular vendors on here to just slide them in and run them without pin fitting. Anyone have a spec of what kind of clearance they should have? I'm running CP Pistons with their 9210 upgraded pins. Same outer diameter etc, just a slightly smaller hole in the middle. Thanks.
Lou |
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My h2b made last year on 9.1 comp cp piston with stock wrist pin that they came with 831hp at 33psi never had any problem with it I will said that u will have to worry when u start making over 900hp plus just my opinion
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i'd just save up the extra 150 and get the upgraded wrist pins
It's just a little piece of mind |
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Originally Posted by hatch34
(Post 42011814)
a close friend of mine made 700whp on off the shelf CP pistons
I made 700/500 on stock wrist pins revving to 10200-10400 and beat the living hell out of the car, never had any problems. Wrist pins and pistons themselves looked great after 5k miles. Spun a bearing so got a chance to check them! |
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The wrist pins will outlast the off-the-shelf CP pistons at that RPM and power level. You'll eventually finds cracks at the base of the skirt. The non-strut design just can't deal with the abuse. The off-the-shelf pistons will last about a full season though... but when you're ready for a piston that really can deal with the abuse, we have these:
http://i680.photobucket.com/albums/v...stonswlogo.jpg The underside looks like this... it's just an iphone pic but if you look closely you'll see the cracks in the corners of the skirt. Our HD piston has a strutted skirt to keep the skirt from flexing, cracking and collapsing. http://i680.photobucket.com/albums/v...d/IMG_2046.jpg |
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Those are some strong looking pistons Reid!
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doesnt really make sense to me why they wouldn't manufacture the shelf version like that. People will still destroy it, but from melting rather than collapse.
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Those pistons look sick. Much beefier.
For those who are wondering about pin fitting, I am sending my pistons, rods, and upgraded CP pins to my machine shop today. I'll let you know the results. I am thinking no change will be necessary as the upgraded pins slide smoothly (if not even looser) into the piston and through the rod than the shelf pins do. Lou |
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Originally Posted by Reid@KAIZENSPEED
(Post 46423443)
The wrist pins will outlast the off-the-shelf CP pistons at that RPM and power level. You'll eventually finds cracks at the base of the skirt. The non-strut design just can't deal with the abuse. The off-the-shelf pistons will last about a full season though... but when you're ready for a piston that really can deal with the abuse, we have these:
http://i680.photobucket.com/albums/v...stonswlogo.jpg The underside looks like this... it's just an iphone pic but if you look closely you'll see the cracks in the corners of the skirt. Our HD piston has a strutted skirt to keep the skirt from flexing, cracking and collapsing. http://i680.photobucket.com/albums/v...d/IMG_2046.jpg |
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Originally Posted by HybridKOOP
(Post 46425645)
Those pistons look sick. Much beefier.
For those who are wondering about pin fitting, I am sending my pistons, rods, and upgraded CP pins to my machine shop today. I'll let you know the results. I am thinking no change will be necessary as the upgraded pins slide smoothly (if not even looser) into the piston and through the rod than the shelf pins do. Lou Lou |
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Originally Posted by boostedeg6-1
(Post 46415270)
Hey, I think I know that guy your talking about... Oh wait, that guy was me haha!
I made 700/500 on stock wrist pins revving to 10200-10400 and beat the living hell out of the car, never had any problems. Wrist pins and pistons themselves looked great after 5k miles. Spun a bearing so got a chance to check them! |
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Originally Posted by hondah2b21
(Post 42012819)
thanks guys.
my budget is on its final string so i think im just gonna run the standard wrist pin and get the car dialed in. then upgrade when my money back to par. gonna enjoy what i have for now. thanks again. |
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Originally Posted by cibao2ner
(Post 46414347)
yea you always need rods hone at machine shop...they come tight....
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I went 760ish whp(dynojet) at 30psi for about 20-25 hits(including track+street passes). Then we we went 33 psi at the track once it ripped the wristpin right our of the piston and kabaaaam'd everything. It was CP's 11.5:1 shelf piston.......that was a bad idea.
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This is why I'm running diamonds this year.
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