jdmstyleEJ6

Well guys as the title say i was wondering about how many quarts of Milano red codes r-81 si i would need to completly repaint my car. Also how many quarts of clear coat. And another question i have is is there any special clear coat i will need since its milano red si. And does this color have pearl in it. Thank yall for yalls time and help in advance.

Ziprock

well, ask yourself this. how much pain can your civic handle?

jdmstyleEJ6

I meant Paint... sorry u couldn't use your brain a lil and figure that out BUMP

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jdmstyleEJ6

Gallons im sorry

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Nooch

how are you going to paint it? what application? DIY paint rollers or what? spray gun? thats also another factor. i would guess like 2 or 3 gallons but thats a complete guess. rather be safe than sorry. also if you get more than needed and you dont open up the bucket/cans you could probably resell the rest easily if its the legit oem color.

jdmstyleEJ6

Im going to get it done professionally tricoat. I think thats how oem does it does ne one know?

hookedonponics

remember base coat is needed for coverage not soaking the panel
if you are not wasting supplies you can paint a car with under a gallon.

it varies from how big the car is. but generally a honda fender will take about 2-3 oz. Really you can just measure it out when you go in for paint.

CivicxTree754

My lexus took about 6 quarts for a thin layer and a thick top layer. Paint was gloss and single stage btw.

DC2.2_GSR

Milano Red is not tri-coat and it has no pearl or metallic flake in it. It's a solid red base/clear. There are some tri-coat formulas which are old versions, but every paint manufacturer has converted the formula to the proper base coat mixture with no need for a midcoat. If you use a tri-coat version of R-81 you're just wasting materials and money.

Buy a gallon of basecoat and a gallon of clear with the required amount of activator. If it's mixed 4:1 you need a 1 gal. of clear and 1 qt. of activator.. figure out how it gets mixed (the product data sheet will tell you) and then figure out how much activator to buy. Sometimes clear will use a reducer, but not often.

Red can be very finicky with some brands and it won't cover very well (it's thin), but a gallon should be enough. You may end up with some left over but that's fine. It's better to mix it once and have some left than the run out and have to mix it again and possibly have a variance in color if the mix gets screwed up. If you're doing jambs and the engine bay, I'd say buy a gallon and a half total to be safe... that's 1.5 gallons "sprayable", meaning with reducer included. Find the reduction ratio for the basecoat and apply it to figure out how much of each to order so that you end up with 1.5 gallons.

Again, you might have some left over, but you can always hang onto it in case you buy a new lip kit or want some other parts done in the future.

**the above info is just assuming you're using solvent basecoat. Waterborne or single stage will be different... just talk to your paint supplier and the shop doing the work.

travis91

when i painted my eg coupe i did all the jambs, and the outside on 3 quarts, but the mixing ratio is 2:1 so there fore it was 1.5 gallons once it was reduced, and clear coat can usually only be bought by the gallon. and i used the whole gallon on my car with four coats. and i have yet to wet sand the car

SamN

Just to keep in mind, red doesnt cover as good as most colors so youll need more.

jdmstyleEJ6

Thank all of yall for your help does any one know about how much an oem quality paint job would cost? Okay my car has 1 quarter size dent on ther rear right side right above the tire. A bb sized dent to the right of that one were a hater shot my car with a bb gun. A baseball size dent on the driver side door were it looks like some one kick it but this one looks like i could easily pop out myself and right above this one is 4 dents that are like popouts instead of dents.... These go out instead of in this is were i got into a "fender bender" an suv taped me and it mades these. The rest of my car is mint no dents at all and my car is already red i was just going to get them to respray the outside.... No bay, no trunk, no interior so what do yall think it might cost???

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EGcivic_95

if the jams are not included then 2 quarts will get your car painted with still plenty of paint left. 3 quarts for everything to be on the safe side but i quarantee your going to have alot of paint left wll depending on how many coats you squirt on it.

jdmstyleEJ6

Thank all of yall for your help does any one know about how much an oem quality paint job would cost? Okay my car has 1 quarter size dent on ther rear right side right above the tire. A bb sized dent to the right of that one were a hater shot my car with a bb gun. A baseball size dent on the driver side door were it looks like some one kick it but this one looks like i could easily pop out myself and right above this one is 4 dents that are like popouts instead of dents.... These go out instead of in this is were i got into a "fender bender" an suv taped me and it mades these. The rest of my car is mint no dents at all and my car is already red i was just going to get them to respray the outside.... No bay, no trunk, no interior so what do yall think it might cost???

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prelude1897

for paint supplies, you're probably spend about $300-$600 depending on what brand of paint and clear you use, and if you're getting 1:1 or 2:1 mix ratio base coat. Is your car already red or are you doing a color change? If you're doing a color change, I suggest getting a gallon of paint, but if your car is already red, you should be able to slide with 2-3qts of paint, but like DC2.2 has mentioned, it's better to have more than to not have enough.

civicking99

milano red is a tri coat color and very pricey. The amount of paint needed will depend on how good of a painter you are. For just the outside body should only take roughly 2qts. unmixed.

DC2.2_GSR

lol. No. Being a good painter has very little to do with how much color is required for coverage. Sure a good painter knows his materials and how to stretch them or where he needs extra material for coverage, but the difference in material usage is negligible, unless a painter is laying down coat after unnecessary coat and wasting material... in which case they would not be employed by any reputable shop. Once it's red it's red, and even a hack painter knows that. In fact, I've seen shitty painters and especially econo-paint shops put out work that was almost translucent because of skimping on materials to save money and/or time. There's such a thing a using too little color.

Read my post above. Milano Red does not have to be a tri-coat. In most mixing systems it's not even offered as a tri-coat any more. It's just a solid basecoat color like white or black or any other solid red on the market.

In fact, here's the standard mix for Sherwin's R81 Milano Red, showing that the basecoat is made up entirely of solid colors and it requires no mid-coat:



Also, 2 quarts unreduced will not necessarily be enough for just the outside. As was already mentioned, red is very thin and can be difficult to get coverage. In a shop environment where you can mix more color at any time and you are trained well enough to get a dead-on mix the second time, you may get away with mixing the minimum amount of color the first time. When you're working on your own project or buying paint off-site you always buy more than necessary. First, it will take too much time to order new paint if you happen to run out mid-job and also, you don't know who's mixing your color. You could get an extra splash of a certain mixing tint and you'll end up with mismatched panels or light/dark spots mid-panel. Always buy more than you need.

As for cost, plan on spending around $2000 for a quality exterior respray. Costs will be affected by many things but for the most part, $2k will get you a nice quality paint job with good materials and light body work at just about any good paint shop... and NO, Maaco is nowhere in the equation when talking about good paint shops.

civicking99

Well i guess my paint supplier needs to catch up with times. I went in for milano red to paint a bumper and it was some rediculous price like 160 for just the base because they said it was still a tri coat. I herd somewhere else that you could get it mixed with solid colors but they told me no. Like i stated, if your a crappy painter then you can waste material and use too much or you can not coat it enough and use less than you should. Therefor it does make a difference on how good of a painter you are. I have painted multiple civics with 2qts unmixed, granted non of them where milano red which is why I said "roughly" 2qts. By no means am I claiming to be a "professional" painter nor do I know everything about paint, but I have painted my fair share of cars and I was just stating information that I have known to be true. But facts dont lie and I stand corrected.

DC2.2_GSR

Lots of suppliers are very uneducated about new procedures and products. It's typical of the 'auto parts store paint shop' where they bought a complete system 15 years ago to mix paint on the spot and they haven't spent the money to update since they signed the first invoices. They just reorder the mixing tints when they run out. Places like that are usually run by old heads who refuse to update their inventory or knowledge base because what they know and use is good enough by their standards.

You can't expect anything other than misinformation from places like that. I'm into shooting sports and I can say that the same thing applies to gun shops and I dealt with a similar situation today actually. The old heads hate change and they hate when someone comes in with even a shred of knowledge because they aren't the highest learned individuals in the room any more. lol

As far as amounts go, obviously the unreduced amount will vary greatly based on the mixing ratio. If you buy two quarts of paint but the mixing ratio is 1:1, then you have a gallon sprayable. 2:1 and you actually have 3 quarts, etc. You may have painted cars with two quarts in the past and you may do it again... hell I might do one next week and use the same amount. The point is that it's best to get too much. There's nothing wrong with buying a gallon+ sprayable and letting the leftover paint sit on a shelf for a while in case you need more.

civicking99

I could not agree more. Well im glad I learned that about milano red, that will make life a bit easier and I will need to find a new paint supplier lol.