red92s

(*pics to follow, once I get my USB cable back!)

Ordering:
I ordered my OBD1 JDM H22a from Osaka Jdm Motors out of Quebec. The total price was $1750 (motor), $120 (customs), $160 (shipping to Atlanta). . .so I guess thats just over $2k shipped to my door. The sales staff at Osaka was very helpful and returned my emails or IM's quickly. There was a temporary breakdown in communication after I placed the order, due to sheer amount of orders they recieved in just a few days (they had sales people helping to pull/pack engines). The engine took one week to arrive at my door from date of purchuse (2 days for processing, 3 days for shipping, and one weekend).

Shipping:
The engine arrived this morning, on a wooden skid. The engine was tied down tightly and then heavily shrinkwrapped in plastic.

Inspection:
The engine appears to be in very good overall condition. For an engine that just came half-way around the world, I'd say it's pretty clean. There were no motor mounts, and the axels and wire harness were cut (this was expected). The TPS was broken (no suprises there). The valve cover has some minor scratching, but again. . .nothing out of the ordinary. The engine has been fitted with some swanky 8 mm red plug wires, and has a Honda OEM oil filter on it. The ECU is in excellent shape.

Overall impressions:
Overall, I am very pleased with my purchuse, and would use Osaka again. Their prices, service, and the overall qualtiy of the engine (visually at least, compression numbers to come) has generally been excellent. They dont include a lot of stuff that some people would consider a "Full swap", but this actually worked out better for me (engine is going into a 4th gen Prelude, so the axels and mounts are all the same). Osaka= by my book.


[Modified by red92s, 6:34 PM 12/11/2002]

AB16A2T

Very nice.

chad

kudos to osaka

SlippylesKB

Got to luv Osaka!

Soled Out

Not to Hi-Jack your thread, but since you alreday posted, i might as well not start another thread.

Left this morning to go to Osaka, get there around 10:30.
Walk in WOW, this place has ALOT of motors, and other jdm ****.
Mark finds me a nice B16a2 w/an lsd tranny, VERY clean motor. No broken sensors, all complete, except for no axles/mounts but i already knew that wasnt included. Mark and the rest of the people that run Osaka were very nice people and very helpful.

Edit: Now i relized that they lied to me, im not a happy camper


[Modified by Gray EG, 5:27 PM 12/11/2002]


[Modified by Gray EG, 7:07 PM 12/11/2002]

AB16A2T

How did they lie to you?

Soled Out

1. They said my CX motor mounts will work on the b16, and didnt give me any mounts

2. they said my cx axles will work with these ends they gave me.

3. they said my cx linkage will work

function83

ouch that sux, time to look for:
1. b-series axles ex: 94-up integra axles.
2. 94-up integra shift linkage.
3. 94-up integra mounts.

ps. there are other parts off different cars you can use but those are the easiest to find from a yard or the dealership.


[Modified by djhatch, 2:39 AM 12/12/2002]

SlippylesKB

'92-5 EGs will require a '94-5 DelSol VTEC or '92-5 Integra GS-R ECU, shift linkage as above, will have to use a DelSol VTEC intermediate shaft if their transmission doesn't already come with one, and will not need any mounts as the engine and tranny will bolt-in to the existing ones.
'96+ EKs have an added issue to be concerned with: OBDII which exists only in the USA - not Japan. As such a '96+ Civic wishing to install the JDM '92+ or newer B16A will have to use an OBDI ECU (JDM or USA pre-'96).

All taken from: http://b16a.honda-perf.org/hardware.html

0osakajdmmotors

cx linkage for sure will not work, but as for the axles.... they will work just exchange the cv joints we gave you,.... works for us all the time, not sure how long the axles will last if thats what you are worried about, but for sure it will work.

B18C-EJ1

What? are you smoking crack?

When D-series axles work on a B-series motor, I'll donate my life savings to the muslums....

Sorry if I sound like a dick, but you guys are supposed to be a motor swap business, and you don't know that CX axles don't work on B-series swaps?

Hmm... Smells like BS to me....

nsxmatt

So your gonna tell this guy with a straight face that the correct was to use axles is to take off the intermediate shaft and use CX axles with B-series ends?

Send him a intermediate shaft. Send him the correct B-series axles, and quit dicking people around. He's not gonna half-*** a swap like you obviously like to do.

nsxmatt

And what about his mounts? CX will not work for all the mounts. He'll need the B16 back bracket mount, front tranny and front A/C mount, and the timing belt side mount that attaches to the block. He can re-use the CX top timing side mount, and top tranny mount.

So does he have all the mounts now??

Soled Out

He gave me the rear tranny bracket, thats it for mounts

red92s

Upon further inspection, I didnt get the downpipe for my h22 (which I was told several times was included), and the black box for the secondaries has the nipples broken off


[Modified by red92s, 6:38 PM 12/12/2002]

CHK4TIX

well i should be getting my engine soon, they said there shipping it today. I will let you know how it looks and post pics

White Lightnin

Cant wait til saturday when I get to help you throw that thing in. GOinf JDM may be cheap but I like my USDm with everything included. No down pipe=header time. Quit being cheap tim and buy some bolt ons

Civichatch2k

sounds like they are really taking care of the customer service issue that most place seem to have a problem with.

B18C5-EH2

Well you guys must not actually perform these swaps then, because you're posting information that is wrong.

If it's an honest mistake because you just sell the motors, then fine, but you can hopefully use this very message board to educate yourself on what's needed to get the swaps shipped out complete, and also so you don't look bad in front of everyone when you post such misinformations up.

CX axles will NOT work no matter what you do. The D-Series CX, VX, DX, EX, and Si (from 1992-1995) axles are all unequal length and don't use an intermediate shaft like the B-Series and H-Series swaps do. When you compare the D-Series axles side by side with B-Series axles it should be obvious that they are not interchangable regardless of swapping inner or outer joints.

It seems to me that you might even be lying by saying it works all the time. If you've gotten them to work somehow then it certainly is not O.E quality. Honda designed the B-Series axles to be equal length and utilize an intermediate shaft to reduce torque steer because the B and H motors put down more power and torque than the D motors do.

Engine mounts for 1992-1995 Civics:

Again you might just be mistaken, which is cool, but after reading and replying to this thread you really should not have any reason to ever tell/post to a customer again any misinfo about mounts (or axles) so here goes:

For the popular hydro-trannied B16A, B18C, and B18C-R swaps here's how the mounts work:

1. Timing cover side mount should be from the B-Series motor. You should use both the cast iron bracket that bolts to the block and either the stamped steel black mount (B16A second-gen stock mount) or the aluminum mount (Integra) that is big and round and filled with a big rubber dampener.

2. Both front "stabilzer" mounts can be off of the Civic, but the brackets (the metal thing that actually bolts to the tranny case and the engine block) need to be from the B-Series car. You can use the actual rubber mounts from the Integra, but they don't fit as flush as the stock Civic ones.

3. Topside tranny mount can be from either car - same mount.

4. Rear tranny mount. You can use either the stock Civic or the donor car's actual mount, but you'll NEED the rear bracket from the donor B-Series car.

So now that the basics are laid out in plain view I certainly hope that we don't see any more postings or stories of Osaka telling customers that CX axles will work and so will all D-Series mounts.

Really the customer should have some sort of knowledge beforehand and know right off the bat that these suggestions are wrong, but then again it's an uncomfortable feeling to argue with a big company even when you know you are right.

I still plan on purchasing a swap from Osaka motors fro my shop, but I truly hope that it is a good experience and I hope that they get these details worked out beforehand.

B18C5-EH2

Let me make it very clear that i'm not ripping on Osaka.

I hope that my post above isn't deemed too harsh, because it wasn't meant to be. I just wanted to actually help them out so that in the future they will know exactly what works and what doesn't.

I've spoken to Mark from Osaka and he's really nice and seems very helpful, and as I said above I plan on giving them business because they have the absolute best prices I've seen.

It will probably take some time and certainly learning from mistakes to get it all right all the time for Osaks, so try to be patient with them since they are new at this stuff.

H-T is certainly a tough crowd too.

mz3bo

Hi, I just kept reading your post and I just can't resist on writing. I live In montreal, about 20 minutes away from Osaka. (now, sorry Osaka for bashing you). I have a few friend who bought their engine from these people, and ended up with very bad surprises (1Xh22, 2Xb16a2, 1Xb16a1). The engine, with our visual inspection on site looked very good and in good condition. we wanted to make a compression test and they refused keeping saying the engine is in A1 condition ( wich is very what all salesman do ). When they got the engine to run, they had very poor compression ration and was oilcoholic . That is not saying a few of them had received wrong, damaged, missing parts, one of them had a whole in the manifold (that we cannot see without removing the manifold), when he showed up at the store, they just told him to tap a screw in it.... This is to says that they might give some good things to some, but on my friend luck, it seems like they did not had a good experience... Hope you guys get better luck than our friends...

EKhothatch

i didn't either.

i guess thats how the motors come.

chidoks

Yup, most motors come without the downpipe because of the placement on the pallette

red92s

Regardless, several people told me several times that the downpipe was included.

turbo_ef9

huh? the dp sits flush with the oil pan