Azcheron

been thinking about picking up an s2k, but i had a few quick questions in regards to how to lighten the s2ki.

also, by reducing the weight of the car, am i going to make it harder or easier to control on snow/rain? with the right tires of course

matt

mykcuz

well from what i hear s2ki is pretty light already...but the s2k will theoretically brake faster, accelerate faster and pull away from a turn less when lightened as would any vehicle, including your own body...but a very light car requires more downforce at higher speeds since gravity is not holding it down as much as it used to.

i bought my05 in the summer and by the time winter came i had 5 monthes of treadwear on the tires, i was able to drive up a steep mountain in a slippery snowstorm...but i almost had to turn around...but i got stuck in that storm on my way home, normally if its gonna snow i wait the 3 or 4 hours til the town plows the roads clean or i leave early...just plan around it

Sideways

Drive it with a 200 lb passenger and compare that with driving alone. That difference is what you would notice with loosing that much weight. It makes a big difference.

Azcheron

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Sideways &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Drive it with a 200 lb passenger and compare that with driving alone. That difference is what you would notice with loosing that much weight. It makes a big difference.</TD></TR></TABLE>

thats a great idea! thank you!

but, i wanted to know if the s2k with less weight would be a coffin if i drove it in the snow

basically, is a lighter or heavier car better in the snow when it is RWD?

Dream

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Sideways &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Drive it with a 200 lb passenger and compare that with driving alone. That difference is what you would notice with loosing that much weight. It makes a big difference.</TD></TR></TABLE>

This is the first thing that dissapointed me about the S2000. A 200+lb passenger made it feel like I was driving my old RSX-S.

needsmoretorque

AlpineInstaller

It's pretty much just not driving like an *** that's better in the snow. Don't forget the car comes with SUMMER/PERFORMANCE tires from Honda. But if you know how the car will act and REACT when driving under different conditions then you should be fine whether it's rain or snow.

For beginners (RWD) I'd almost recommend getting winter or all season tires.

But to actually answer your question, more weight holds the car down better. However that same weight will make it harder to regain control if it is lost in the snow. And as far as lightening it, don't you like bragging about how your car has perfect 50/50 weight ratio?

tommymoose

I'm sorry, I just gotta clean this up because I'm ****. Most of your ideas are okay but the logic behind them isn't.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mykcuz &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well from what i hear s2ki is pretty light already...but the s2k will theoretically brake faster, accelerate faster and pull away from a turn less when lightened as would any vehicle, including your own body</TD></TR></TABLE>

In theory, yes, it will accelerate faster, but will not turn or brake faster due to the relationship between the mass(~normal force) and the frictional force. In reality though (not theory) there are many other factors and things are like you said

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mykcuz &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">but a very light car requires more downforce at higher speeds since gravity is not holding it down as much as it used to.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The air speeding over the car creates an upward force (bernouli's equation) which is going to act as a force pulling the car off the ground. Therefore you would want more downforce any way you can get it... think lip spoilers, wings, and like you said, more mass.

Aright, I'm done

Francesco

when you take away or add something, you gain or lose something somewhere else All mods affect one another.

Lenny

I feel the difference with a full tank and under a half tank of gas.

2oo6 s2k

Driving in the snow? With an S?
eh..
My neighbors friend did that and ran a guard rail up the front.

Azcheron

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 2oo6 s2k &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Driving in the snow? With an S?
eh..
My neighbors friend did that and ran a guard rail up the front.</TD></TR></TABLE>

with snow tires?

JDM knowledge

iTrader: (1)

please dont drive the S in the snow!

hot_kenneth_hot

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come on... its an s2000... not a 4x4 jeep

ur S should be in the heated garage when it snows

Vitt1

Since the S has 50/50 weight distribution, theoretically, how it affects handling will also be determined by "where" you take off the weight. If you lighten up the front, then the heavier rear will be more likely to come around. But it also depends on what year S2000 you get, as the newer ones have a more forgiving suspension, and you can change the handling characteristics with a front sway bar and adjustable shocks. The 06 also has traction control which will help you stay on the road.

I disagree that it's pretty light to start with at 2855 lb. The convertible hardware adds weight to the car, but it could be worse. But it's ligher than the 350Z.
I wish they made a S2000 type R or type S coupe that weighed 250 lb lighter.

Francesco

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I wish they made a S2000 type R or type S coupe that weighed 250 lb lighter.</TD></TR></TABLE>

So shed 250lbs. off of your s2000. Thats not that hard.

if you remove the softop and switch to a single exhaust your looking at little over 100lbs. there

get some light weight forged rims

Lenny

The lightweight rims are 12.75. Does anyone know the weight of the stock rims? Also, what are the biggest rims and tires I can put on the rear on an 02`?? Thanx

iam7head

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Lenny &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> The lightweight rims are 12.75. Does anyone know the weight of the stock rims? Also, what are the biggest rims and tires I can put on the rear on an 02`?? Thanx</TD></TR></TABLE>

around 19-20lbs, forgot which exactly but again, which s2k wheels?

bbs jdm? jdm 5 spoke? usdm 5 spoke? 04-05? 06+?

biggest rims and tire? as for show or performance?

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Francesco &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">when you take away or add something, you gain or lose something somewhere else All mods affect one another.</TD></TR></TABLE>

amen, when you take 400 lbs off the a car, you also taking away some traction, because the weight help to put the car down when you launch, or brake or corner.

remember the test SCC did with the stock z and lightweight z?

the lightweight z is slower in 60's but it's like a second or more faster in quarter.

for every action there's a reaction <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Azcheron &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

thats a great idea! thank you!

but, i wanted to know if the s2k with less weight would be a coffin if i drove it in the snow

basically, is a lighter or heavier car better in the snow when it is RWD?</TD></TR></TABLE>

it's more like a personal perferrence,some will like lighter car with proper aerodynamic or a heavyweight with loads of torque


2800 for a roadster is a bit porky, the miata and mr2 are couple hundred lbs lighter

Vitt1

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by iam7head &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">amen, when you take 400 lbs off the a car, you also taking away some traction, because the weight help to put the car down when you launch, [/B]or brake or corner.[/B]</TD></TR></TABLE>


Errr, try doing a little reading on how weight affects a car's braking and cornering. Why do you think the Elise is under 2,000 lb? Why do most race car (except NASCAR) weight as little as possible within the rules? Stop posting misinformation.