PaypaBoy415

hey guys i'm doing a k24 swap into my s2000 and was wondering what all do i need for the proper swap. links and websites would be highly appreciated. thanks guys i hope you guys can help me..

beandip

Youre not going to be able to do it. If you cant find things like this on your own, youre too stupid to finish it... pay someone to do it for you.

JUSTINTHECOASTI

Just a heads up, it can get in the 5k range. Here's a kit for the swap, IMO it's the most complete kit so far, hope you're staying NA when doing this as they don't hold as much boost stock as an F20c/F22c can... http://www.balladesports.com/product...k2024-swap-kit

Boots

why?

tuannn

Wouldn't the F22C be a better platform for the your performance ?

JUSTINTHECOASTI

Depends on what the op wants. If he/she wants a NA motor, the k-series is a better choice mainly because the market for it is HUGE, however, if boost is down the road, the F20c/F22c is significantly stronger and IMO easier to make power out of without much worry

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Reasons why
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-TSX K24A2's are cheap and they errwhurr.
-The powerband is enormous
-For NA cars, the advantages in midrange and total power output are HUGE compared to the F2XC. Tons of 280+ WHP K series cars are running around as a result of fairly basic mods and a tune. Cams being the only internal change. Look up K24A2 graphs on hondata's website or look at the TSX power pages articles in honda tuning.


The F series is a more durable motor for sure. But really, the K24 isn't exactly made of glass and bits of string either.

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That being said, I'm not sure I'd swap out a perfectly good F series for a K24, but the prospect is becoming more attractive.

My thought process is to total the cost of getting 280whp out of a NA F series. Even when you do that, consider that you'll still be lacking the torque that the K offers.

If the AP chassis had healthy midrange without going overboard, it'd be unstoppable.

My DD is a 06 TSX with the manual trans. The K24 shoves that car around so easily despite its weight and silly long gearing.

Ofcourse, one could just FI a F series and go fast too. The costs are similar. The FI'd F series would likely make more power.

Sparksman

Ive seen K24A3's everywhere, not so much the A2's for as cheap.

I personally think K swaps are overrated... For how much money it costs to have swapped a stock engine over, you could have build the original to out perform it. With $4K cash in hand I could build any F,B,H series to stomp any stock K series.

Yes the K series is a better starting platform if money is no object for a full built to the tilt, ground up engine build. But for how many of us is money no object?

The torque difference between the K24A2 is the same difference between the F20 and F22, about 10ftlbs of torque. I see maybe getting to use a 6spd trans more beneficial then gaining 10ftlbs of torque for $4k, and Im pretty sure S2k's come with 6spds already. So theres no gain there either unless FWD.

Boots

im a purist so im not a big fan of this swap anyway

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No....for 4 grand you can buy a header and exhaust for the F series and make maybe a slightly noticeable difference. Granted, a flashpro for the 06+ S2000 is cheap....and puts you closer to the K24's band.

The K series powerband is enormous. 10lbs is the peak torque difference in stock form. But the width of the powerband is the big difference.

K24A2's are about $1300-1700 on average.

There is simply no comparison between a NA F series and an NA K series (the ones with 3 cam lobes, anyway).

For a 06-08 K24A2 to make 260-280 WHEEL HP and like 190+ lb-ft of WHEEL torque takes bolt ons, a cam gear, cams, and tuning. Totally flat torque curve. Try that with a F series.

A reflash for my 06 TSX makes 30 hp and like 29 lbs of midrange gain. 90% of the torque available from 2000-7000 RPM.

Here's a 04 spec TSX: http://www.importtuner.com/powerpages/impp_1206_2004_acura_tsx_part_2/

Read the intro about the 06 spec reflash:
http://hondata.com/reflash_tsx_06.html

For 00-04 owners, the net cost of doing the K swap isn't all that much. About the same as an I/H/E for the F series. If you're counting in the money made back from selling your good running F bomb.

If your motor is blown already, the net cost is higher than a replacement F series....but the gain in power is better too.

Sparksman

If all you can get is 2hp for $4k i think you need a new hobby homie LOL. I really hope you didnt actually spend $4K on your exhaust set up..... You know there are places to get parts cheaper then off companies main websites which are drastically marked up.

But I digress for the cost of the K swap you could about have everything for a pretty legit turbo'd set up which would put down more then a stock K with K-pro. Thats all im getting at, I already said its a better overall platform.

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I feel as if midrange would really help in going fast at the track.

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I didn't pay $4k for my exhaust. I did say that a FI'd S2000 would be faster. But 4k puts you less than half way to a GOOD turbo setup that doesn't require daily adjustment and maintenance....if you buy new.

JUSTINTHECOASTI

I own a 05 TSX as well as an s2000 and I agree with your statements

riceball777

If you want a faster car stop waisting your time and money with with NA 4 bangers. An NA f2xc is slow as hell and a NA built k24 is just a little less slow.

The stock s2000 motor is extremely strong and can take well over 600whp with out being built. Just boost the stock motor if your looking for more power. That or if your going through the trouble of doing an engine swap make sure it's an lsx v8 engine.

Furious Styles

I've looked In on the K24 swap a few times. Its a worth while swap especially if you do track days, want more aftermarket support, and aren't a fan of boosting your F. I like my S the way it is, but if I could have 300 NA ponies at my beck and call I'd swap the F and not look back. Just put my F20 in the corner and bolt my K24 up and go.

JUSTINTHECOASTI

Before wasting money, I would look at the powerband of a k24 and a F20/22c with a supercharger then compare which would yield more power per dollar

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True that boosting a F20 at 300whp would likely be more reliable than a K24 swap. The boosted F20 route would likely cost 8K or more with everything considered.

award78

Stroke the F if you insist on 0.2 of displacement. Even after labor it's probably cheaper than a K swap.

http://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/1088...roker-kitrods/

Arsenal

How hard is it to get the K24 running to 9K RPM with Honda like durability?

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The VTC is what makes the big difference in how big the powerband is on K series cars. Even K20's are much more planar than F20's are.

A lot of money and engineering. Remember that the F22 has forged internals, and still cannot reliably rev to 9k RPM.

This is a bad idea if you're looking to spin a motor to 9k. There's no reason to spin a K24 to 9K. That's the whole point of the swap. Midrange power.

Turboing or SC'ing an S2000 is expensive, but would likely be easier and net more power and torque than a NA K24 swap.

Arsenal

Just thinking long term wise. I enjoy 9K RPM, and if it was simple to do on the K24, I would consider it when my F20 lets go.

JUSTINTHECOASTI

I wonder if someone has the plots of a F24c vs a K24a2 with just bolt-ons tune or no tune

award78

Some do rev the F22 to 9K reliably. I wouldn't but I'm just sayin. it's possible.
And I don't doubt the K24 torque curve is better, just not worth a swap, IMO