AMBGUOS

hello fellow h-t peoples.
i recently just purchased a '00 S2000 w/70,XXX miles on it. my cousin told me to save up money for a clutch job due to the fact that the labor costs was way up there. my q. for you guys is that what is the avg. price of a new clutch + the labor? not really looking for anything special, most likely go with OEM replacement. If you guys can give me some input on how much you guys paid for your clutch + labor that would really help me out. that should pretty much sum it all up. Thank you, DT.

KLN

There is a group buy going on over at http://www.s2ki.com for a complete kit. I'm not sure how much installation would be but here is the link

http://www.s2ki.com/forums/ind...17489

evil vapor

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AMBGUOS &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hello fellow h-t peoples.
i recently just purchased a '00 S2000 w/70,XXX miles on it. my cousin told me to save up money for a clutch job due to the fact that the labor costs was way up there. my q. for you guys is that what is the avg. price of a new clutch + the labor? not really looking for anything special, most likely go with OEM replacement. If you guys can give me some input on how much you guys paid for your clutch + labor that would really help me out. that should pretty much sum it all up. Thank you, DT.</TD></TR></TABLE>

it'll take roughly 10 hours for the job according to my honda dealer, standard labor rate @ $85 an hour so it'll be about $850 + parts. You'll need a new throwout bearing. Factor in the cost of a new pressure plate and friction disk to be about $350-450, and if you want to do a lightweight flywheel at the same time (I advise against it) factor in another $350-400.

Troy

Dealer always over estimate and over charge for labor. Just go to an independent auto mechanic that specializes in hondas. It'll usually cost you around 200-400 bucks for labor. S2000 are also much easier than other Honda/Acura since it's a RWD instead of a FWD vehicle.

evil vapor

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I wouldn't go to an independent auto mechanic that hasn't done one before, I'd stick to a shop or dealer that has replaced the clutch and isn't learning how to do it on my car. That estimate I quoted above is from the book dealers use to estimate labor for work, estimates from the book are from honda, not just an arbitrary number.

Doing a clutch on FWD honda is easier than on the s2000 unless the mechanic knows the tricks to drop the s2k tranny.

speed4tu

I had an Exedy kit put in at my Honda dealership for 365.

WRS2K

Comptech flywheel (highly recommended and release bearing is included), OEM friction disc, ACT PP, throwout bearing... total cost $800.

labor was covered under warranty for me so no clue. go with the lightweight flywheel. it rocks.

USDMforLife

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Doing a clutch on FWD honda is easier than on the s2000 unless the mechanic knows the tricks to drop the s2k tranny. </TD></TR></TABLE>

If you know any special tricks I'd like to hear what they are.

AMBGUOS

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http://www.s2ki.com/forums/ind...17489</TD></TR></TABLE>

thank you everyone for their input, it was greatly appreciated. i think i'm going to go with the Group Buy on the Comptech Kit. Sounds like a killer deal. As for installation, you can't go wrong w/the dealer. You will definetly get what you pay for and if they mess up, maybe you'll get a new tranny. lol. If anyone out there can tell which Honda Dealer is good for installation in Orange County, please, let me know.

evil vapor

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thank you everyone for their input, it was greatly appreciated. i think i'm going to go with the Group Buy on the Comptech Kit. Sounds like a killer deal. As for installation, you can't go wrong w/the dealer. You will definetly get what you pay for and if they mess up, maybe you'll get a new tranny. lol. If anyone out there can tell which Honda Dealer is good for installation in Orange County, please, let me know. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Get in touch with Tony Ivy at wesloh honda in san juan (949.493.9300) or Matt Piercy at Honda world in Westminster (714.890.8900). My clutch work was done @ wesloh, Hector, the shop foreman had completed the clutch work in 1.5 hours.

as for the flywheel, don't listen to what others say, the only rocking it will do is rocking your wallet empty of cash.

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If you know any special tricks I'd like to hear what they are. </TD></TR></TABLE>

tricks: use a lift, drop front subframe a few inches to reach "hard to reach" bolts. It's pretty much straight foward from there. No need to remove altenator.

tilt

I'm going to have to disagree. ive dropped s2k and fwd honda clutches. The s2k is much more time consuming imo.

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Honda/Acura since it's a RWD instead of a FWD vehicle.</TD></TR></TABLE>

WRS2K

Vapor, care to share the reasons why the lightweight flywheel is a bad deal?

cthree, krazik and others run it.

Positives
-It's made my car feel livelier all over due to the weight savings (15lbs to 8lbs)
-In combo with the ACT PP which the user here is going to go with, I actually use less revs to get the car moving from a stop
-Throttle blips are much more instant to react esp when rev matching (little to no delay like the heavier stock flywheel)

If i was not coupling the comptech flywheel with the ACT PP, i would've kept the stock flywheel.

I love the setup and all the s2000 track fools and honda technicians who've had a chance to drive numerous s2000s give it the

b18cya94

iTrader: (1)

at our shop it would be 400 for labor. 6hrs for the job.

evil vapor

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especially if there is no access to a lift.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by WRS2K &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Vapor, care to share the reasons why the lightweight flywheel is a bad deal?

cthree, krazik and others run it.

Positives
-It's made my car feel livelier all over due to the weight savings (15lbs to 8lbs)
-In combo with the ACT PP which the user here is going to go with, I actually use less revs to get the car moving from a stop
-Throttle blips are much more instant to react esp when rev matching (little to no delay like the heavier stock flywheel)

If i was not coupling the comptech flywheel with the ACT PP, i would've kept the stock flywheel.

I love the setup and all the s2000 track fools and honda technicians who've had a chance to drive numerous s2000s give it the </TD></TR></TABLE>

I run the flywheel, does that mean everyone should buy one including yourself? Just b/c joe shmoe or the average track guy runs one doens't mean everyone should go out and buy one. There are various applictions for every aftermarket part and the light weight flywheel can be run on a street car but I say if the car is a daily driver, there's no point in getting a light weight flywheel for it.

By reducing the rotating mass through a light flywheel you'll experience a slight increased sensitivity in throttle response. Whether this translates to a "livelier" feel, that is subjective. Some people swear that removing the stock air box cover makes the car more "lively." If it excites you that the engine revs quicker as you blimp the throttle at a stoplight to catch other's attention, that's fine. But a lighter flywheel will increase the chances of stalling on a launch and will aggrevate the map sensor gremlins especially when running a SC kit. Those running the comptech kit experience stalling when coming to a stop when running the flywheel. Has there been a fix for this other than re-installing the stock flywheel? I didn't follow up with those having trouble with it. It would be safe to say the lightened flywheel in this specific application would certainly make the car "unlively" due to stalling issues outside of the driver's control.

A lightened flywheel can hurt boosted cars that need to keep rpms up b/w shifts to stay in boost to avoid any sort of lag. This pertains to drag applications that I have little experience in. The s2000 already comes with a fairly lightweight flywheel from the factory, for a daily driver, I don't see the need to rev match more easily. A lightweight flywheel, ligher engine pullies, lighter wheels, will actually show a loss in HP on a dyno, as well as a 4.77 geared car compared to the stock 4.10.

WRS2K

Like I've stated before through circuitous ways, I live by the rule if it ain't broke, leave it alone which somewhat runs parallel with my stick with OEM stuff as much as you can attitude when it comes to modding the S2000.

So the "livelier" feeling is much more legitimate than the elementary airbox baffle mod leads to more power example. I've been around the block more than once.

And, vapor, you know your ****, too, but I'll agree to disagree here.

It is of my opinion that the lightened flywheel setup with a quality aftermarket PP like the ACT unit is an upgrade to the stock setup that makes driving the S2000 more fun to drive.

The car does accelerate faster. The throttle blips are noticeably more responsive.

Comptech flywheel/ACT PP combo is WRS2K approved.

evil vapor

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It is of my opinion that the lightened flywheel setup with a quality aftermarket PP like the ACT unit is an upgrade to the stock setup that makes driving the S2000 more fun to drive.

The car does accelerate faster. The throttle blips are noticeably more responsive.

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there are "+" and "-" to each mod, and I stated the minuses of running a light weight aftermarket flywheel (noted light weight and not "lightened" as most if not all s2000 aftermarket flywheels are either alum-alloy or steel-alloy, not like ACT b-series flywheels that were lightened stock flywheels).

The upsides of having a more "rev-happy" engine have been noted by you but I also stated the downsides to a light weight flywheel. I agree with the points you make but feel a lightweight flywheel doesn't belong on a daily. Slipping the clutch on normal launches on an incline/steep grade is more difficult when running a light weight flywheel. I don't like to engage the clutch at 3krpms+. With a lighter flywheel, it requires more throttle control and clutch slipage to get going on an incline/steep grade at 1.5krpms compared to a car equipped with a stock flywheel. Likely hood of stalling increases to manage a lower rpm clutch engagement on already low torque engine.

On a side note, an engineer told me the greatest improvements from running a light weight flywheel come from a car running a very heavy flywheel from the factory compared to our low torque honda's. BMW's come to mind, they have heavy flywheels 25lbs+. One reason, noted as one reason they have individual throttle bodies stock on some BMW's is to compensate for the heavy flywheels, as the ITB's increase throttle response thus making the engine more "lively." Hence why I'm not a fan of slapping on ITB's on the s2000.

WRS2K

We're all engineers to some degree on the internet, aren't we?

And the points you bring up against a lightened flywheel are points that I learned of and thought about prior to my decision to spend the extra $$$ to go with the Comptech flywheel.

But, again, like I've stated before, in real life application:

1) I use the same or less revs as I did with the stock clutch setup to get started off the line

2) the car accelerates faster across the rev range

3) the engine response on the upshift feels very much like stock except on the downshift, the blip is noticeably more instant than compared to the stock flywheel

What I had expected was Carrera GT like response, but alas, that was just a dream. The engine behaves very close to stock except for some of the perks that I've typed up in an earlier post.

When going with an aftermarket PP, you gotta go with the lightened flywheel on an N/A car. I'm thinking it's the same thing with the SCed S2000s based on the people's experiences on s2ki.com.

Project SSAP1

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labor was covered under warranty for me so no clue. go with the lightweight flywheel. it rocks.</TD></TR></TABLE>

where the hell can u get these parts so cheap...they have a GB on s2ki.com for the exact same parts for $850...and how did u get it installed free at the honda dealer??? i didnt think u can take aftermarket parts to the dealer and get them installed.

WRS2K

Use your charm.

evil vapor

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where the hell can u get these parts so cheap...they have a GB on s2ki.com for the exact same parts for $850...and how did u get it installed free at the honda dealer??? i didnt think u can take aftermarket parts to the dealer and get them installed.</TD></TR></TABLE>

labor was covered most likely on the clutch TSB

WRS2K

Mine's a late '02 model. Doesn't apply and even if it did, I wouldn't have been able to reproduce the noise.

Nice try.

LaterApex

Listen to vapor, he's got it right. I talked over the option of a lighter flywheel when I put my Mugen PP and SPEC Star clutch into my car. The opinion that I got from the head of a national race team running Honda's was to forget about wasting my money if I was running an SC. If I was not running an SC, he suggested that I put it way down on my list of priorities.

evil vapor

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by WRS2K &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Mine's a late '02 model. Doesn't apply and even if it did, I wouldn't have been able to reproduce the noise.

Nice try.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Just b/c you have a '02 model year doesn't mean it can't be covered under the clutch TSB. Something as simple as having a good relationship with your service dept can make it happen.

evil vapor

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by LaterApex &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Listen to vapor, he's got it right. I talked over the option of a lighter flywheel when I put my Mugen PP and SPEC Star clutch into my car. The opinion that I got from the head of a national race team running Honda's was to forget about wasting my money if I was running an SC. If I was not running an SC, he suggested that I put it way down on my list of priorities.</TD></TR></TABLE>

WRS2K

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Just b/c you have a '02 model year doesn't mean it can't be covered under the clutch TSB. Something as simple as having a good relationship with your service dept can make it happen. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Just like it's possible you might start making actual $s off of your so-called driving skills, but we all know that's highly unlikely just like the rest of us pretenders.

Anything can happen, but not so much.


Modified by WRS2K at 4:29 PM 7/28/2004